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Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by krapp on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:26AM (#29992329)
"white" as a claim of culture or heritage, only exists in the context of white supremacy. The concept of "whiteness" was invented during the days of the slave trade as a means of establishing racial classification and hierarchy - to contrast the superior "white" race with inferior "non-white" races, which is why it traditionally excluded people like the Irish and Italians, along with the obvious African peoples traded as slaves, who unlike the former groups can never "ascend" to "whiteness" no matter how much political or cultural capital they accumulate.

In the modern day, it has lost much of its explicitly racist connotations (except, obviously, when explicitly used in the original context by racists,) but just tends to mean "a person who looks white (until proven otherwise)" or "of European descent," the former of which isn't really related to culture, and the latter being so vague as to be useless as a cultural referent.

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by ecocentrik on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:23AM (#29994760)
I'd go further and say that "whiteness" is just a form of the otherisum. A mechanism for establishing in and out groups to determine the potential for favorable and unfavorable social relationships. Whiteness is generally defined as people that look like, speak like and behave like a greater homogeneous population group. Each homogeneous group sets their own measure (bar) for inclusion. For instance. not all light skinned Europeans meet the standard for inclusion in small American towns. In general, the smaller and more homogeneous the population, the smaller the genetic ingroup.
Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by maxwell_xander on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @11:38AM (#29995965)
>"white" as a claim of culture or heritage, only exists in the context of white supremacy. The concept of "whiteness" was invented during the days of the slave trade as a means of establishing racial classification and hierarchy - to contrast the superior "white" race with inferior "non-white" races

Isn't black exactly the same thing? A completely madeup racial category invented by white slavers to conveniently deny a group their humanity? And isn't it further possible that, after these racial groups were invented, actually real cultural identities began forming around them to the point where the invented categories had reified into something kinda real?

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by vanderZwan on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @04:33PM (#30000484)
> to the point where the invented categories had reified into something kinda real

The "kinda" in that sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It's a "real" social construct. It's not "real" in the sense of representing "real" human nature, or a "real" order of how things ought to be, which is how that social construct is wielded in practice.

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by klipt on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:16PM (#30001116)
Right, plenty of things are social constructs. Race, gender, laws, money. Arguing over whether these things are real or not is, I think, missing the point. The real argument should be over whether they're beneficial concepts or not.