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Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by mdasen on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @01:08PM (#29983182)
AOL/TimeWarner was a failure because because it valued AOL at $200B and TimeWarner at $164B. AOL was just way over-valued. It wasn't really an integration failure so much as paying too much for something. If Time Warner had bought AOL for $2B, it would have been fine. The problem is that they merged valuing AOL at 100x that when it wasn't worth it and later sold for $4.4B to Verizon.

Likewise, Yahoo/Verizon bought a lot of properties at inflated values. Tumblr wasn't worth $1.1B, but Yahoo wanted to buy one of the hot up-and-coming properties to feel relevant.

I think the big issue is the price one is paying and whether one has a plan for the purchase or if the purchase is more "but if I don't make a big move, what am I doing? I can't go wrong following trends, right?"

For example, AOL/TimeWarner was a situation of over-paying because TimeWarner was afraid that the internet was going to eat the world and they needed to stay relevant. AOL was so hot and it's easy to get swept up in the moment thinking "I need to get on board now or I'll miss it!" Likewise, Yahoo feared becoming irrelevant as Google took over the internet and thought buying Tumblr would make them the hip forward company once again.

Activision Blizard seems like a reasonable add-on for Microsoft. $69B isn't that much money for it given it would represent a P/E ratio of around 26. Apple's P/E is 30, Amazon 62, Microsoft 34, Google 26. So they aren't paying an absurd amount given Activision's profits. Even if they did no integration or strategy, Activision could simply continue doing its thing and contribute favorably to Microsoft's bottom line.

With a tiny bit of strategy, it seems clear Microsoft could get even more value out of the company. Maybe a few Xbox exclusive titles to push their console business. Maybe some stuff for their game streaming service.

If Disney has shown us something over the past few years, it's that owning IP that people like allows you to keep spinning new versions of that IP. Activision has lots of that kind of IP in the gaming space so Microsoft should be able to use that to its advantage.

I think there's a big difference between buying Activision at a price whose P/E ratio is better than your own and where there are clear strategies that could offer you even more value compared with the "omg, I'm getting left behind! I'll pay anything you want" panic purchases/mergers of other companies.

Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by dustintrex on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:12PM (#29988578)
Tumblr could easily have been Instagram, Yahoo just had no idea what to do with it and completely missed the boat on mobile.

A lot of people thought Zuck was insane when he paid $1B for Instagram, and I think we'd all agree that bet paid off pretty handsomely.

Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by ulfw on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:17AM (#29990252)
Tumblr was dead the second they turned porn off. Simple as that sadly.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by Breza on Saturday January 22, 2022 @11:04AM (#30037813)
How did they monetize it? I've worked in digital advertising and I can't imagine the adult content would get the same CPMs as general interest.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by jazzdev on Thursday January 20, 2022 @03:24PM (#30014286)
Did Instagram avoid that fate by never allowing porn in the first place?
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by rg111 on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:14PM (#30028521)
Instagram has porn.

It just blocks some body parts.

Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by Breza on Saturday January 22, 2022 @11:06AM (#30037827)
See also: Flickr.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @01:46PM (#29983814)
AOL bought TW not the other way around.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by RC_ITR on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @02:10PM (#29984161)
Sure, but Time Warner shareholders accepted AOL equity at an over-valued price. THAT's the fleece - Time Warner kept being a company despite AOL's failure, but the ownership shifted dramatically toward former owners of AOL.

Also worth noting on the AOL/Time Warner comparisons everyone is making: Everyone knew dial-up was on the way out in 2000, they just assumed AOL would 'figure it out' because they were the current market leader. Not clear to me (other than maybe metaverse, controversially) what MSFT's looming problem they need to 'figure out' is.

Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by alex_c on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @03:28PM (#29985253)
Microsoft's "looming problem" seems to be the $130B+ in cash they're sitting on, and finding something to spend it on?
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by RC_ITR on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:17PM (#29996552)
Yeah, at least in traditional financial theory, if they can invest it in a way that has NPV of <$1, then they should invest that dollar, and if not, they should just return it.

There's obvious optics to draining the cash balance, but it's not a problem per se, because worst case, they just return it to shareholders and Net Income/EV should be unaffected.

Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by sumedh on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @04:29PM (#29986151)
They can give the cash back to shareholders.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by WitCanStain on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @11:21PM (#29989938)
Or their workers.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by sumedh on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:18AM (#29990589)
I dont think MS employees are complaining about salaries, if they dont like it they can easily switch to FANG companies.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by missedthecue on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @11:26AM (#29995760)
the same people thanks to RSUs
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by mathattack on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @06:13PM (#29987502)
MSFT has to figure out how to justify a 2.7 trillion market cap when their revenue is on the order of 170-180 billion. That’s a lot of sustained profitable growth.
Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by RC_ITR on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:15PM (#29996523)
Conveniently ignoring the fact that on that $180bn revenue, they generate $90bn in net income, resulting in a 30x P/E multiple (the actual way companies are valued), which is only slightly elevated vs. the S&P 500's historical average.

Conversely, what's wrong with McKesson, if their revenue is $250bn and growing, but their market cap is $40bn?

Re:Microsoft to Acquire Activision Blizzard by mathattack on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:35AM (#30024944)
The larger you get, the harder it is to justify outsized PE multiples. Plenty of theory and empirical research supports this.

Even with their recent 11-12% correction their PE is ~33.5. [0] That’s higher than today’s S and P PE, and more than double the long term median (~15) and mean (~16) PE. [1]

This means that the market is betting on some combination of margin expansion and outsize revenue growth.

McKesson is in another industry with different margin and growth, and is valued differently.

[0] https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSFT/

[1] https://www.multpl.com/s-p-500-pe-ratio