Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work

Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by zozbot234 on Monday January 17, 2022 @05:57PM (#29972668)

He paid high wages because he was in fact offering highly-skilled work for his time, a bit like Elon Musk is doing today. The "our workers should be able to afford the product" thing was a clever meme/bit of marketing.

(In fact, I would argue that high-paying manufacturing jobs have always required some degree of skill, even when this kind of manufacturing work was especially common in the West.)

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by Kim_Bruning on Monday January 17, 2022 @06:01PM (#29972700)

This is why I don't feel bad about replacing people doing boring work by robots. They now get the somewhat more interesting work of operating the robots.

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by tekknik on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:47AM (#29975577)

Only if they have interest in operating the robots, and the intelligence. If they don’t have either one of those, nope, they just lost a job because of your decision.

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by Kim_Bruning on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:57AM (#29979128)

Maybe I've gotten lucky with machine operators so far.

The ones I've met are intelligent, though their locus of intelligence is in their thumbs. Someone on a project needs to have it there, so that's just fine by me!

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by tekknik on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @10:48AM (#29980876)

But you get how you’re changing their life for a decision they didn’t make right?

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by Kim_Bruning on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @02:25PM (#29984407)

Depends on the company maybe? Were you in a project that went bad?

Last time I did a robot project, the people who would ultimately be the machine operators were involved every step of the way, learning and building together with the team.

I'm not sure how installing a handful of machines in one small corner of a huge factory that's already full of machines would somehow change someone's entire life. Hopefully it does make it a little easier though!

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by tekknik on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:32AM (#29994899)

> Depends on the company maybe? Were you in a project that went bad?

I have never worked in robotics, save for hobby drones and hexapods. The question is not whether we would enjoy it, it’s whether someone else will. You seem very convinced that you should decide what people do for work. That’s the part I’m trying to get across to you, you should not have that power for anybody but yourself.

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by Kim_Bruning on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:02PM (#30001719)

I notice I'm confused.

I don't think that I've ever decided what people do for work. I unsure if that that is a thing. As far as I (can/do) know, they decide internally and then hire me to help.

I'm not sure how to proceed. Could you unpack your assumptions for me?

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Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work by tekknik on Thursday January 27, 2022 @09:51PM (#30110180)

Do not decide something for someone not under your care. Do not purposely invalidate someone’s job because you think you are making their job better.

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