If I'm leasing a part of my land to you (and others), and your use of your assets on my land has the potential to harm other users of my land - you'll be asked to leave. I have a business to run. You are still free to take your property to your own patch of land and do with it what you will. Your freedom has not been compromised. You just assumed a freedom you did not have - which is the use of my land in an unfettered way.
I am extremely individualistic. Github is also an "individual" that has its own private rights.
The author of this library absolutely had the right to write code, change it, etc. He does not have the right to use Github as a delivery mechanism for malware.
However that is not what github did.
Expecting a company to have a moral framework is just setting yourself up for disappointment. They will always just do what they think will maximize their long term ROI. Possibilities lay between "enlightened self interest" and "barefaced self interest."
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, but we're diametrically opposed on how these two groups are allocated. I.e., the people you're labelling as collectivists I are in the other group, and vice versa. People who think GitHub did right are a real me-first bunch, not collectivists.
It's a "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" situation.
This is a straw man. No one made this generalization.
Marak, specifically, is a "selfish baddy", and it has nothing to do with FOSS. It has to do with his abuse of Github, npm, and Faker.js (which other people also contributed to) to distribute malware.
None of that can be generalized to a position about FOSS, Microsoft, or any other nonsense you're trying to extrapolate. It's specifically about a bad actor who was removed from a platform.
Sorry you were complaining about straw man arguments?
>> It's a "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" situation.
> It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies, and Microsoft of all people, are the communistic heroes in your telling.
The discussion is about Github - microsoft - undoing the author's changes, the guy I replied to saying that this was good because he felt the author was "doing harm". So he definitely is saying that microsoft are the heroes there defeating "harm". And since he is supposed to be "doing harm" for his own benefit, the FOSS author being overridden by microsoft is the "selfish baddie".
For my edification, if you have a moment you can you help me understand where my comment failed to hew to a valid analysis of that part of the discussion and became some nasty straw manning activity?
https://twitter.com/seldo/status/712417019686100992
https://blog.npmjs.org/post/141905368000/changes-to-npms-unp...
But Marak specifically is, and Microsoft being the good actor is indicative of how badly he messed up.
If his goal was to make a statement about big corporations taking more than they give to FOSS, arranging things so Microsoft gets to be the hero was a foolish way to go about it.
I’m in the camp that if it was his repo then he can do whatever the eff he wants to it.
If you are going to insult people at least get the terminology correct, it is rolling coal, not goal.
Further most people rolling coal are not libertarian.
>>d "individuality" are simply self-centered anti-social assholes who haven't thought through the Libertarian ideologies they parrot deeply enough to realize how extremely dependent on and beneficial from collectivism they actually are
Incorrect, Libertarians / Individualists do not reject the concept of society or working in groups to accomplish a goal. However they believe said interactions should be VOLUNTARY, and not forced upon you by 3rd party actors.
>>against Obamacare for no better reason than the person THEY renamed the ACA after is black,
Ohh yes, the only possible reasons someone could oppose ACA is because of racism.
Do you support with the way your glorious Libertarian leader Rand Paul has attacked and endangered Anthony Fauci's family by lying about him, and reject the government's right to mandate vaccination, but support spreading lies about people and endangering their families for political purposes? What ever happened to personal responsibility?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/12/how-polit...
>How politically helpful have Rand Paul’s attacks on Anthony Fauci been?
>One of the more remarkable political disputes in recent history involves two doctors.
>One is Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), an ophthalmologist by training. The other is Anthony S. Fauci, the federal government’s top infectious-disease expert. The genesis of their fight is the coronavirus pandemic and, specifically, government recommendations (for which Fauci is a figurehead) that Paul opposes. Over the course of more than a half-dozen hearings centered on the pandemic, the fight has become much more personal, with Paul accusing Fauci of having contributed to the creation of the virus and Fauci forcefully pushing back.
>On Tuesday, there was a new escalation. Obviously expecting Paul to challenge him, Fauci came prepared with an argument he hadn’t made previously: Paul was attacking him and putting his personal safety at risk for Paul’s own political benefit.
>Fauci pointed out that a man had been arrested while on his way to Washington to attack a number of public officials, including himself.
>“I ask myself, why would senator want to do this,” he continued, obviously flustered. “So, go to Rand Paul website, and you see ‘Fire Dr. Fauci,’ with a little box that says ‘Contribute here’ — you can do $5, $10, $20, $100 — so you are making a catastrophic epidemic for your political gain.”
And of course there are possible reasons to oppose the ACA, but most of them don't hold any water because they are based on lies ("It's SOCIALISM!!!", "DEATH PANELS!!!"), and are just cover stories and dog whistles for naked racism. You know that as well as I do, so don't play coy and deny it.
I see you have confused the Libertarian party with libertarianism they are pretty different
>>Do you support with the way your glorious Libertarian leader Rand Paul has attacked and endangered Anthony Fauci's
Aside from the complete falsehood of this statement entirly, I do support elected officials grilling non-elected bureaucrats in the manner used by Rand.
I also believe Fauci unfit to serve in his current role and there are serious questions around his tenure that need to be addressed including the funding of the Wuhan lab.
You are not pretty different yourself, since you believe and spread the same conspiracy theories, and support Rand Paul's attack of complete falsehoods against Fauci and his family. Rand Paul's statements were mendacious lies, yet you support him and his lies and threats against Fauci for the sole purpose of fundraising.
I'm glad you don't incorrectly disagree with the fact that most of the arguments proffered against ACA are just lies and racist dog whistles, but I certainly don't agree with you that it's a valid tactic, the ends justify the means, or that using racism and lies and threats and spreading misinformation against people's families to grab power and raise money is in any way ethical or justified, or a "great tactic" and that "misinformation works", as Rand Paul himself says.
https://www.insider.com/old-video-resurfaces-rand-paul-telli...
>An old video has surfaced of Sen. Rand Paul telling students that spreading misinformation is a 'great tactic'.
https://boingboing.net/2022/01/13/watch-rand-paul-tells-stud...
>Watch: Rand Paul tells students "misinformation works" in resurfaced 2013 video
Just because I choose not to respond to all of our unhinged conspiracy laced non-sense claims that everything you disagree with is a dog whistle to racism does not in anyway imply I support said statements. '
I choose not argue with crazy people on the internet, and clearly President Trump broke your mind and I hope for your sake you get professional help.
>> since you believe and spread the same conspiracy theories,
Sorry information released from government records pursuant to a FOIA request is not "conspiracy", I am sure you so biased in favor of your lord and savior (Dr Fauci) that you probably have one of those candles or figurines on your desk devoted to him so you will never believe anything negative however reality does not require your faith.
He is mid rate bureaucrat thrust in the lime light by circumstance and this hero worship of him is insane.
Further at no point did Rand threaten him or his family. The attempt to shift any real or imaged danger there is due to public backlash is a very dangerous game, tell me do you apply the same standard to Democrats who inflame AntiFa and other violent groups? Are these democrat politics to blame for all the violence, riots, etc they "cause" (and to be clear I do not believe they cause it, but you world view dictates we place this violence at their feet, i am judging you by your own standard)
Somehow I bet you will be hypocritical
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Popehat%27s%...
>Popehat's Law of Goats
>He who fucks goats, either as part of a performance or to troll those he deems has overly delicate sensibilities is simply, a goatfucker.
>He claimed he was just pretending to be racist to trigger the social justice warriors, but even if he is telling the truth, Popehat's Law of Goats still applies.
>>In no way do I "worship" Fauci.
Press X for doubt
>>You're projecting your own hero worship of Trump onto me.
Never voted for the man... I disagreed with him about 50% of the time, however I saw in real time the lies and misinformation the media was putting out.
>>It's you foaming-at-the-mouth Trump-worshiping Fauci-haters who are the deranged ones injecting disinfectants, popping horse dewormer pills, and drinking your own urine, instead of wearing masks and getting vaccinated.
Fully vaccinated, just do not support the mandates
//and for the record Trump also supports the Vaccines.. Much to the chagrin to part of his base
Also calling on of the most widely distributed human drugs, a drug that won accolades for saving peoples lives across the world a "horse dewormer" is unhinged conspiracy, and medical misinformation. Sure it may not be a treatment for COVID, that however does not change the reality that is a human drug, proscribed by doctors all over the world, and is infact on the WHO list of essential drugs...
>> disproven conspiracy theories that it was actually AntiFa who attacked the US Capitol
Where did I say that? There is clear evidence AntiFa violence all through out 2019, 2020, and 2021 with out having to talk about 1/6 protest turned riot.
>> So do you also believe the election was stolen from Trump, too, like MOST Republicans do?
Stolen in the sense you are talking about... No. However I do believe many states governors (on both sides) inappropriately (and IMO illegally) used their executive powers to change election laws under the guise of "emergency" to manipulate election turn out and other factors for their (or their parties) political advantage.
I also do not believe or support the narrative that voter ID is a threat to democracy, nor do I support or believe the narrative that the US has the most "secure" elections in the world.
>>Popehat's
Ahh yes... Ken White. another famous person broken by Trump. The one famed free speech advocate now fully supporting Censorship of all manner.
This is a divide that extends well beyond programming and this topic.
People that support GitHub actions believe in the concept of "greater good" and believe the actions of GitHub are ethical because it prevented harm to the community
People that oppose GitHub actions reject the idea of "the greater good" and believe this individual should have had the right to do with their property (i,e their code) anything they wanted and the responsibility was upon the people consuming / using that code to vet it before use.