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Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by rndgermandude on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:18PM (#29959535)
You Finns and your "(free) operating system[s] (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones." :D
Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by colejohnson66 on Sunday January 16, 2022 @04:36PM (#29960379)
This "Linus" guy won't go anywhere. No one wants a half-done kernel that is just a hobby.
Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by coldtea on Sunday January 16, 2022 @07:35PM (#29962022)
Plus the future is microkernels anyway, and there's strong competition between Minix and HURD
Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by vba616 on Sunday January 16, 2022 @08:58PM (#29962558)
It kind of blew my mind when I learned an evolution of Minix ended up in every Intel computer anyway. You don't even get a choice.

Professor Tanenbaum strikes back...

Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by Liquix on Sunday January 16, 2022 @09:26PM (#29962711)
Not only do you not get a choice, it benefits no one but Intel & the three letter agencies they are in bed with. Tanenbaum himself has expressed regret for the way it ended up being used:

"Many people (including me) don't like the idea of an all-powerful management engine in there at all (since it is a possible security hole and a dangerous idea in the first place), but that is Intel's business decision..."

Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by IntelMiner on Monday January 17, 2022 @01:36AM (#29963938)
I do recall him snarkily remarking that MINIX was thus "used on more PC's than Linux (or Windows!)"

30 years on and he was still upset I suppose

Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by Fnoord on Sunday January 16, 2022 @11:29PM (#29963313)
He could have avoided the choice Intel had by not using MIT license.
Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by pmontra on Monday January 17, 2022 @05:00AM (#29964987)
Isn't it BSD [1]? Anyway it became BSD only in 2000. It was $69 before that year. Of course everybody started using Linux because it cost zero. Linux didn't end into Intel's CPUs probably because its GPL.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minix

Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by Fnoord on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @10:30AM (#29980600)
You're right, I said that from memory and mixed up BSD license with MIT license. The point still stands though.
Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by npteljes on Monday January 17, 2022 @04:15AM (#29964760)
And because of the license he chose, they didn't even notify him of the fact. Resulting in this open letter.

https://cs.vu.nl/~ast/intel/

Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by ComradePhil on Monday January 17, 2022 @11:19AM (#29968112)
I came across this analysis of that incident: https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/why-i-use-the-gpl-and-not-cuc...

I'm not sure how I feel about it yet.

Re:Show HN: My 486 Server by npteljes on Monday January 17, 2022 @01:47PM (#29970170)
I skimmed the article which I don't hold in high regard for its word choice.

I think license choices will bite people, because they have to be made in advance, but nobody's certain of the future. Maybe my thing would not have been popular anyways, but it have been useful for some, so it wasn't a great idea to make it proprietary. Maybe my thing turns out to be beyond useful, so many profit from it, and I still live a modest life while fixing its bugs. The BSD wasn't a great choice then.

So I think, with license choice, a big thing is regret. And each license is also a political statement, especially the case with GPL I feel, with its strong ties to the ideologically driven FSF. These people want to build a world on those foundations, so they think that if people take but also give back, that'll be sustainable.

At the end of the day, Tanenbaum was both fooled and he wasn't. I absolutely empathize with him as a human. But he explicitly allowed for this kind of incident with his license choice.