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Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by Animats on Sunday January 16, 2022 @02:50PM (#29959293)
How about blacklisting Gmail? They're a major source of spam.
Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by johnklos on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:08PM (#29959448)
This is not outside of the realm of possible. Google does nothing to stop spammers, makes up their own non-public rules and doesn't communicate with the Internet community, so Gmail addresses are already on shaky grounds.

For instance, for starters, go search through all of your email for any email sent from Google servers where the "Reply to:" doesn't match the "Mail from:", and tell me if there are any legitimate instances. We could all benefit by starting to reject all Google sourced email with a different "Reply to:".

What we really need is a blocklist / allowlist system which tracks the millions of Gmail email addresses. Has it never been seen before? Reject it with a message telling them to go sign up for the allowlist. Has it been around for a while? Allow it.

Google can't be asked to keep their own spam in check. We have to force it on them.

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by AnonC on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:25PM (#29959607)
> johnklos 8 minutes ago | parent | next [–]

This is not outside of the realm of possible. Google does nothing to stop spammers, makes up their own non-public rules and doesn't communicate with the Internet community, so Gmail addresses are already on shaky grounds. For instance, for starters, go search through all of your email for any email sent from Google servers where the "Reply to:" doesn't match the "Mail from:", and tell me if there are any legitimate instances.

Why is this scenario a red flag in all instances? Mailing lists, including Google Groups, may have settings that set the Reply To to be different from the Mail From.

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by Avamander on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:53PM (#29959907)
> For instance, for starters, go search through all of your email for any email sent from Google servers where the "Reply to:" doesn't match the "Mail from:", and tell me if there are any legitimate instances. We could all benefit by starting to reject all Google sourced email with a different "Reply to:".

Yes. Very common. Sorry but you have a very limited view of realistic mail traffic.

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by schleck8 on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:28PM (#29959625)
It's really difficult creating a fake google account nowadays
Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by 0xC0ncord on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:32PM (#29959677)
As someone who gets spam from various Gmail accounts on the daily I'm not inclined to believe it's that difficult.
Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by Nextgrid on Sunday January 16, 2022 @04:37PM (#29960391)
It's only difficult for those who want to commit the atrocious crime of having privacy.

Lesser evil criminals such as spammers already have a supply chain of phone numbers, residential IP addresses, etc that can be used to work around the restrictions.

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by iqanq on Sunday January 16, 2022 @04:40PM (#29960421)
I've created several ones over the course of months without any issue. I wasn't even asked for a phone number.

Of course if you do it constantly or from third-world IP addresses, I understand they refuse your attempts.

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by mdasen on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:33PM (#29959684)
The issue with blocking Gmail is that Gmail is a lot of people's only email. This list is a list of domains people use for addresses that definitively aren't their primary email address (since they are disposable/temporary/forwarding addresses).

While Gmail might be a major source of SPAM, they're also the email service most people legitimately use. If you block [email protected], someone might be annoyed, but can sign up with their non-proxied address. If you block Gmail, the person can't just use their "real" address. You're forcing them to create a different email address to use your service - and there's no reason to think that new email address will be from a service that better validates their users.

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by Animats on Sunday January 16, 2022 @11:24PM (#29963291)
While Gmail might be a major source of SPAM, they're also the email service most people legitimately use.

That was once true of Yahoo, Myspace, and even AOL.

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by blibble on Sunday January 16, 2022 @02:52PM (#29959307)
repo seems to be owned by a google employee
Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by martenson on Monday January 17, 2022 @03:21AM (#29964496)
I started the repo and have nothing to do with Google.
Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by commoner on Monday January 17, 2022 @05:37AM (#29965218)
There are 2 members in the disposable-email-domains organization on GitHub.[1]

You (martenson) are one of them. The other member (di), who is a "core maintainer" of the project according to the README changelog,[2] is also a member of the Google organization on GitHub.[3] di describes himself as part of the "@google open source security team"[3] and the website linked from his profile says that he is "a Developer Advocate at Google".[4]

[1] https://github.com/orgs/disposable-email-domains/people

[2] https://github.com/disposable-email-domains/disposable-email...

[3] https://github.com/di

[4] https://dustingram.com/

Re:Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-d... by martenson on Monday January 17, 2022 @07:00AM (#29965706)
Thanks for summing it up. All of this is correct afaik. What I wanted to respond to was the implication that Google is somehow part of this. It is not. This project started before Dustin joined Google open source and was already couple of years old when Dustin himself joined.