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Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by cracrecry on Sunday January 16, 2022 @03:56AM (#29954404)
First thing you need to do is define the term: Success

Living in the US of America is already a success compared with most other places in the world.

Success for most people is not making a billion dollar company. Success for them is being able to raise a family, work on their own, pursue their interests and be free. In the US you can do that way easier than in the rest of the world.

Billionaires are not happier than other people. Sleeping on your job like Musk and working all the time will not make you happier. And most people will not do that if they have the opportunity, they will prefer doing things like spending more time with their family even if that means they don't get to be billionaires.

I have seen men living isolated in Winter in Alaska and they were happy, because that is what they wanted to do.

Obviously is you raise your bar so high (billion dollars) almost nobody will do it. But in the US you can actually make millions and have a freedom the rest of the world envies, if that is what you want, or maybe you want to surf all day long.

Probably if you want to surf all day long and make a billion company it is way harder, but even that is possible in the USA, like the GoPro founder proves(he also bankrupted the company extracting so much for himself).

In other countries the educative system selects early on(ten years old) who is going to be engineer or doctor, don't let you have kids (or now they want to force you to have them), have way less economic opportunities and horrible salaries, there are no self employed people, or tax you to death.

Also the optimism the USA HAS is an enormous economic advantage over Asia, Europe and Africa.

North Americans exterminated the native population living there very recently, almost in 20th century, and as a result have an enormous country with bast resources for a population that is small and young compared with Europe or Asia.

Also they attract the brightest talent from the rest of the world, that does not like to be confiscatory taxed or censored or prosecuted.

In most Europe and specially Asia most people is so old that Pessimism is part of the culture, it is an illness. Africa is young but pure chaos and extremely corrupt few places there have the peace you need to prosper working.

In Japan for example, if you have an idea on your own almost everybody will try to sabotage it. Your friends and your family, for your own good.

Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by throw8932894 on Sunday January 16, 2022 @04:10AM (#29954475)
> Living in the US of America is already a success compared with most other places in the world.

> Success for most people is not making a billion dollar company. Success for them is being able to raise a family, work on their own, pursue their interests and be free. In the US you can do that way easier than in the rest of the world.

This is such self absorbed and delusional opinion!

Your point proves point of the article. US is extremely hostile to families. It is incredibly expensive to raise children. System itself is rigged against families, it tries to tear family structure apart. Even finding fertile partner who wants children is very difficult.

Let us know when you get pregnancy leave and affordable health care :)

Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by burntoutfire on Sunday January 16, 2022 @08:33AM (#29955855)
It's very easy to make very good money in the US, compared to practically anywhere else in the world. Mundane corporate IC paper-pushers with no discernible talent can make up to six figures - which is salary restricted to mid- and high-level management in most other industrialized countries.

What's more, taxes in the US are lower than in most other industrialized countries. In result, an (non-software) engineer in the US easily makes $5-7k after taxes, whereas in Europe we gets maybe half of that (not to mention that practically everything is more expensive in Europe). That extra money is crucial for setting up a comfortable family living. Not to mention he also gets pretty good health care coverage from his job, often better than what the "free" medical system in Europe provides.

Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by inter_netuser on Monday January 17, 2022 @12:22AM (#29963584)
engineers make 2.5-3k in europe after taxes?

thats third world wages?

Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by burntoutfire on Monday January 17, 2022 @03:59AM (#29964676)
Both numbers (5k in US, 2.5-3k in Europe) were monthly.
Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by inter_netuser on Monday January 17, 2022 @03:43PM (#29971502)
devs in Ukraine not infrequently make 10k a month.

Ukraine.

Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by burntoutfire on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @01:44PM (#29983777)
And people in US make 50k-80k a month, too. But I'm not focusing on the top percentiles.
Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by kkjjkgjjgg on Sunday January 16, 2022 @04:37AM (#29954592)
Most places and populations where people have many children are poorer than the US. Families are expensive because you have such expectations of high standards. I see it in my country. If you want an extra bedroom for every kid and a car that fits all family members, it is expensive. Meanwhile other people are raising 4 kids in a single room.
Re:Do success stories cause false beliefs about success? by ojl on Sunday January 16, 2022 @04:21AM (#29954523)
>In other countries the educative system selects early on(ten years old) who is going to be engineer or doctor

In some other countries maybe, but definitely not all. I live in Scandinavia and decided to become an engineer when I was 22 years old. Had to take an extra high school level math course and physics (which was easily done by self studying and then writing an exam), then just applied to university.