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Re:Mortgages are a manufactured product by LatteLazy on Friday January 14, 2022 @03:40PM (#29940118)
I don't think you're wrong. But there is another side to this argument.

Owning makes you responsible for things beyond your control. If the factory in your town closes, you're underwater no matter how smart you were about picking it or diligent you were about maintaining the house.

Similarly you can't really do what you want with it. You better keep it cream and beige coloured! And that's all you can buy. No one builds small homes or castles. Just identical units. Everyone must have a lawn, it must be one of three shades of green and cut correctly etc.

It also forces you to care about things you don't really care about: you have no problem with minorities living next door, but what if it effects your house price? The same for infrastructure your town needs. You know we need a free medical clinic but what if poor people hang around when you're showing the place?

It has the same effect on services: tax rates MUST be lowered because you can see them before buying. Internet speed is irrelevant because no one knows how bad it is until they move in. So no one has workable internet. Americans schools are famously underfunded for this reason too.

It gives you a big incentive to veto all future housing development too. That's given us a very big housing shortages in many places.

The ownership model also makes people much less mobile, limiting their income and productivity, not to mention cementing inequality and effecting nation gdp etc.

Re:Mortgages are a manufactured product by jjav on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:27PM (#29940674)
> Similarly you can't really do what you want with it. You better keep it cream and beige coloured! And that's all you can buy. No one builds small homes or castles. Just identical units. Everyone must have a lawn, it must be one of three shades of green and cut correctly etc.

Don't ever buy in a HOA area! That is the nightmare you describe.

No HOA in our neighborhood, so while all the houses were the same shade of beige with the same lawn when the developer built the area, over the years as people have repainted and redone yards it has become wonderfully colorful with each house having unique character.

Re:Mortgages are a manufactured product by LatteLazy on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:18PM (#29941278)
It honestly baffles me that America has them. The US (I'm a Brit) is meant to be about individualism, personal rights, property rights etc. But these are all the bad bits of communism (except for actually killing people).

The only logical reason for this I can see is people being terrified they'll lose 50k because their neighbours paint their house black and let the lawn turn to scrub.

Re:Mortgages are a manufactured product by tompazourek on Saturday January 15, 2022 @02:47AM (#29944566)
How does it work in the UK? Many areas I visited in the UK have very uniform looking houses (all brick walls, nothing really sticking out, very pleasing to the eye). I assume there must be some strict rules to follow...
Re:Mortgages are a manufactured product by LatteLazy on Saturday January 15, 2022 @12:06PM (#29948035)
In the UK, there are very tight laws for changing your house. But they're set nationally. I think they're ridiculous. It's very hard to get permission to build something in a residential area (with some tightly defined exceptions for 1 story extensions not visible from the front or sheds etc).

Weirdly you can do what you want outside of that. So I can't build a turret on my house. But I could paint it pink and replace my front lawn with cactuses or cover it in junk cars.

No one can make me do anything to make it look nice. But I'm stopped from doing much to make it bigger or look better than the neighbours.

There are "listed" buildings (where you cannot change almost anything). But they're rare and you know you're buying Shakespeares cottage and gave to keep it exactly as is. And in a lot of areas you need permission to cut down trees over a certain size.

Re:Mortgages are a manufactured product by antifa on Saturday January 15, 2022 @11:40AM (#29947777)
HOAs are typically planned ahead of time by the investors/builders/etc. as part of a planned neighborhood. This is entirely imposed by capitalists. Another classic "communism is when capitalism" #6432368.