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Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by shadowgovt on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:39PM (#29938300)
Was there an inciting incident to induce FedEx to head in this direction?
Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by VLM on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:57PM (#29938586)
They cite vague comments of short range manpads style attacks having happened in the past.

Some interesting background, the A321-200 is kind of an older passenger plane and part of aging out is there's a big push to convert and sell as freighter and Fedex bought a couple dozen.

Generally the big push to sell the A321 as a freighter is to use it for long distance line haul service so this is going between Shenzhen and some customs clearing warehouse in the USA or central hub. So this is international every trip and not dropping at your local field to do local delivery. So they're kind of implying anticipation of unrest in either Shenzhen or NYC, not just some random farm community in Canada or whatever.

There are certain implications in relying on IR for missile protection; the simplest and most foolproof way to protect against short range IR missiles is to control the land for a couple miles around in every direction aka build a giant airport in the rural middle of nowhere and surround it with a fence and short range can't hit. This jammer is only useful against a threat where there's an urban built up environment around the airport. Its to protect against a threat when landing at O'Hare not when landing at that airport in Denver that is (used to be?) 50 miles out of town. So they're installing this in expectation of civil unrest generally out east in the big urban cities, not out west, at least in the USA. So that's interesting. Of course with covid, everyone who can flee the big cities already has or is trying to, so that has implications also.

Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by iSnow on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:45PM (#29939357)
>to use it for long distance line haul service so this is going between Shenzhen and some customs clearing warehouse in the USA or central hub

Uh, why would FedEx not fly other international routes, e.g. to the Middle East?

>. This jammer is only useful against a threat where there's an urban built up environment around the airport.

No, the attempted downing of the DHL A-300 starting from Baghdad using a manpads was done from outside the city. The plane was at 2400m already.

Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by kube-system on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:56PM (#29939492)
> So they're kind of implying anticipation of unrest in either Shenzhen or NYC

Unlikely. There are other places where international shipping currently happens that already are experiencing unrest, and planes are already being shot at: eastern Europe, north Africa, the middle east.

Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by alksjdalkj on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:17PM (#29938987)
They're going to use an A321 for long distance line haul?
Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by Symbiote on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:22PM (#29941315)
The Middle East to Europe and Asia seems more likely.
Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by ttobbaybbob on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:41PM (#29938324)
they dont mention any specifically, but say: "In recent years, in several incidents abroad, civilian aircraft were fired upon by man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS). This has led several companies to design and adapt systems like a laser-based missile-defense system for installation on civilian aircraft, to protect those aircraft against heat-seeking missiles"
Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by nefitty on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:54PM (#29938534)
Jesus. How much do those pilots get paid? Like $60k/year?
Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by Turing_Machine on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:06PM (#29938766)
GlassDoor says FedEx pilots make an average of $239k/year, plus some bonuses.

That's still not enough to have missiles fired at you, IMO.

Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by throwaway0a5e on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:07PM (#29938796)
Widely varies. It's a crappy "time working for this specific employer" based seniority system.
Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by Scoundreller on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:43PM (#29938369)
MH17?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

I believe fedex also overflies many territories that might be hostile to US interests. I believe they continue to overfly Belarus, after most US/EU passenger aircraft have stopped.

Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by gpm on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:04PM (#29938714)
The other hint is the timing

> On October 16, 2019, FedEx applied for a supplemental type certificate to install a laser-based missile-defense system

This was the only airliner shot down in the 10 years prior, it has to be the incident that inspired this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_inc...

Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by throwaway0a5e on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:44PM (#29938379)
That wasn't shot down with IR manpads though. The likely suspect is a vehicle mounted radar based system.

Most manpads don't pose a threat at reasonable cruise altitude. They're more of a takeoff/landing threat. There's a minimum warhead size to do the job and a minimum fuel required to get it to a given altitude. Anything that can reach an airliner at a typical cruising altitude is going to be vehicle mounted for the foreseeable future.

Re:FedEx: equip aircraft with countermeasure against heat-se... by cronix on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:43PM (#29938368)
Yes, it's described in the application.