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Re:Train burglaries in LA by fossuser on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:11AM (#29932238)
Imo the comment you’re replying to is a kind of progressive left-wing university faculty lounge flavor of upper middle class politics and is not representative of the vast majority of Americans (but is overrepresented online).

I’d suspect most Americans (across the political spectrum) would see these train robberies and think “these people should go to jail”, rather than moralizing about why it’s not their fault.

Re:Train burglaries in LA by kogepathic on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:46AM (#29932479)
> I’d suspect most Americans (across the political spectrum) would see these train robberies and think “these people should go to jail”, rather than moralizing about why it’s not their fault.

Jail isn't some magical free solution to your crime problems.

Would Americans still be so eager to imprison someone if they knew that the cost to incarcerate someone is ~$36k/yr? [1]

The government defines poverty as $12k/yr for individuals [2], which is three times less than the annual cost to incarcerate someone!

Is imprisoning someone at the taxpayer cost of ~$36k/yr a sustainable model?

At what point does America have a conversation about the cost of imprisonment versus the alternatives like raising the poverty line, raising minimum wage, or implementing social programs?

[1] https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/30/2018-09...

[2] https://aspe.hhs.gov/topics/poverty-economic-mobility/povert...

Re:Train burglaries in LA by fossuser on Friday January 14, 2022 @12:46PM (#29937530)
You can advocate for policy that works to improve things that lead to increased crime and be strict about enforcing the law when crime occurs. While this doesn't necessarily fit cleanly into existing partisan politics, it is possible.

Excusing crime because of these other things I think is patronizing to the majority of poor people that are not criminals. It's also a luxury belief imo in that the majority of victims are ethical people in poor communities getting hurt by the criminals who mostly target them (which is why you see a lot of data in poor communities asking for increased policing).

I'd guess it's a view formed from a lack of interaction with the people committing these crimes (in addition to the victims) too. Anyone can rationalize criminal behavior and make it not their fault. I don't have much tolerance for this and don't think society should really either. Discretion exists and context does matter, but people have agency and are responsible for the choices they make.

Re:Train burglaries in LA by nitrogen on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:30AM (#29932763)
What is the cost of not imprisoning criminals? How much economic damage is caused by shutting down stores that keep getting looted?
Re:Train burglaries in LA by ramoz on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:11AM (#29932651)
Yes, literally still imprison the people committing these crimes.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by waynesonfire on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:17AM (#29932681)
prisons create jobs while handouts incentivize poverty.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by user-the-name on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:50AM (#29932501)
Yes, that was the point of the original post. The further point was that this idea is entirely counterproductive.