More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years

Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by zdragnar on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:09AM (#29922287)

In my experience, "Research universities" are a joke for undergrad students. All it means for most of them is that their classes will be taught by graduate students because the "professors" are too busy doing research to be bothered with such trivial work.

You need to be pretty lucky in your final years or actually going for masters or PHD to really be exposed to the research side of things.

It's a steal alright, but I cant say I agree with who is coming out ahead.

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Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by cgearhart on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:33AM (#29922717)

I guess my point was that the price of a school system that touts itself as a world-leading research university may not be the best baseline for the cost of college—even if it’s a public university system. The Cal State system has always been the “affordable” public option for college in California.

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Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by zdragnar on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:02PM (#29925102)

Yeah, that is fair. I guess my gripe is with the idea that research universities charge undergraduates more at all. If anything, most students get a much worse experience and learning environment as a result.

My own experience was that professors who were not currently research oriented tended to have a much more personal interest in actually teaching- not just the material, but in the practice of pedagogy overall.

Compare that to researching professors (or worse, their grad student substitutes) and it is often a night and day difference. All you're really paying more for is often the name on your diploma at the end of the day.

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