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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by anonporridge on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:37PM (#29916915)
Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by leeoniya on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:48PM (#29916981)
if you read the links you posted, a large portion of these are from people who weren't ready, or had kids with disabilities or adopted without enough vetting, or were not financially ready, etc.

all parents go through difficult periods where they do regret not sleeping, or the work. but on the whole, the vast majority would not trade their kids for lonely family-less early retirement.

just because you found 10k comments on the internet doesnt imply this sentiment applies to 7bn people.

it's great that you'll have no regret about never having kids but instead have a ton of money and free time to spend on something else for 40 years.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by kelnos on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:48AM (#29917590)
> just because you found 10k comments on the internet doesnt imply this sentiment applies to 7bn people.

No, but at least the parent provided some kind of source to back up their assertion. Where's yours? I don't think it's safe to assume "nearly everyone who has kids don't have regrets".

I went through a phase 5+ years ago where I was reading a lot about this sort of thing, and found that there are more people who regret having kids (entirely) than I would have expected, and way more people who regret the timing of when they had kids than I would have expected.

As the parent points out, it is very very taboo -- especially for a mother -- to admit this sort of thing, so we can expect this to be under-reported.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by leeoniya on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:07AM (#29917706)
i've met plenty who have regretted the timing, or having 3+ kids instead of two. but never about having 1 kid instead of zero and it preventing their otherwise early retirement.

having one kid will delay any kind of FIRE strategy significantly for all but the top 0.01%.

the GP's argument is that people just dont have the willpower to make the necessary sacrifices to retire early...such as simply skipping having those pesky, retirement-draining offspring!

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by prmoustache on Thursday January 13, 2022 @05:24AM (#29919081)
As said earlier, this is a sentiment that is not socially accepted, so you will have a hard time finding examples or people admitting to it.

I have 2 daughters, I love them but in hindsight if I had to start over I don't think I would have kids. And it is not necessarily about the money. I realize I give up waaaay to much of my own needs and freedom. It may just be also about how I am. While many people will tell their kids to litterally go fuck themselves (well with different words) while they are watching football or leave them unattended while they go for a bicycle ride, I am one of those who will never say no when my daughters ask me to play or require assistance for some creative stuff. Yes I enjoy doing stuff with them but I'd rather go for a bicycle ride, play music or do carpentry. Thanksfully there are a few things we have in common, like playing basketball. Now that I am divorced and we share custody of the girls, it makes it feel somehow harder, as I can't just get away from my ex-wife. There is always something to negociate/organize. Thanksfully the pandemic has opened a lot of possibilities regarding work from home so I could change employer without having to move to another place but I'd rather use the remote work possibilities to become a digital nomad and travel all over the world. I would also be happy living in a camper moving from place to place every few weeks/months. Having kids while being separated from their mother makes it impossible.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by el-salvador on Thursday January 13, 2022 @12:03AM (#29917063)
> or had kids with disabilities

This is one of my biggest fears.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by refurb on Thursday January 13, 2022 @12:48AM (#29917284)
I wouldn’t use Reddit posts to justify a statement of “all the time”.
Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by pb7 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:00AM (#29917328)
“All the time” here means it has happened in the past, it happens today, and it will probably continue happening. It may not be a high percentage of parents but it exists. Believe it or not, Reddit is made up of human beings just like you.
Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by refurb on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:48AM (#29917591)
"All the time" infers high frequency.

And sure, Reddit is full of humans, but it's nowhere close to a representative sample of the populations. That should be clear as soon as you start reading.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by kelnos on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:49AM (#29917599)
I usually read (and intend, when I write) "all the time" as "more than you'd expect", not necessarily as "with high frequency".
Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by barrkel on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:13AM (#29919417)
Nothing worth doing is particularly easy, but let me give you a different way to think about it.

You're only on this planet for a few years. You can only taste so much of the human experience. A huge part of the human experience is raising a child. Not experiencing it means leaving a big part of what's possible to experience on the table.

If it's a choice, and you choose, and you're secure in your life, and financially / emotionally / mentally stable, I think regret isn't likely.