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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by acchow on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @10:55PM (#29916666)
> There comes a point where the money just isn't a motivating factor anymore

That's cuz your numbers are too small. Offer a 50% raise instead of a 20k raise and you will see different results.

> Yes I could quit and get a ~20k raise by shopping my resume around, but I don't need the money

Plenty of stories on Blind of people shopping around and going from 150k TC to 350k TC, so I guess it really depends on your situation.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by humanrebar on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:14PM (#29916788)
This.

Also, those highly paid engineers in other companies might be tired of working on surveillance tech but aren't willing to stomach 50% pay cuts because your company is shooting for "market rate" compensation instead of market clearing compensation.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by tickerticker on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:41PM (#29916938)
Insight and nuance. Nice.
Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by alkonaut on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:06AM (#29917701)
50% raises are extremely rare to get once you are an established Engineer in my experience. At least if you want to keep the other factors (working time, city etc) and not simply advance by switching to management or similar.

One way is to try switching from a regular industry job to a “giant” such as a FAANG. But these are quite rare in most countries.

Another way would be switching into specific industries like finance - but the high comp there traditionally means giving up some other things such as a guaranteed 40h-or-less workweek. Hard pass from many established engineers.

A third option would be switching to a larger share of non cash comp, but again, equity large bonuses are not commonly part of European comp and comp in traditional industry.

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by shostack on Thursday January 13, 2022 @12:46AM (#29917274)
Don't forget to tax out of that. And if they are well compensated to begin with that's at a high tax bracket. And for some of these people, the remaining amount just isn't worth it.
Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by throwawayboise on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:54PM (#29917016)
Nah, not for some. I've never made a six figure salary. I have quit jobs in the past that would be six-figure jobs in today's market. They demand too much time and become the central focus of your life and identity. That's not for me.
Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by emodendroket on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:57AM (#29917644)
Maybe so. But if you're not getting wildly underpaid those opportunities are few and far between.