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Re:Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer dig... by noduerme on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @06:51PM (#29914575)
What you're saying applies to some modern and historical states, but not all. Would you consider the IRA in the early 1900s to be nothing more than a gang looking to control territory? Or were they an independence movement? What about the Continental Congress? What about the Viet Cong? The former two led to a democracy and the latter to an authoritarian dictatorship; all engaged in violence; but none was a gang whose primary motivation was to gain personal wealth by criminal activity. The IRA would be the closest to a "gang" but even there, the state they produced renounced violence.
Re:Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer dig... by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @06:55PM (#29914633)
> The former two led to a democracy

The Continental Congress did not lead a democracy, any more than the Permanent Council of the Organization of American States does.

Re:Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer dig... by comex on Thursday January 13, 2022 @03:34AM (#29918201)
Led to, not led.