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Re:Google hired union-busting consultants to convince employ... by taeric on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @10:43AM (#29907933)
This feels... Unlikely to be a thing of unions. Seems just as likely, if you saw promotions that were unwarranted, that there was incentive for management to get more promotions. Indeed, it is often to grade managers on how many promotions they have overseen. Not shocking that measuring that would cause them to happen unwarranted sometime.

Which is just too say that a healthy organization is hard. There are no panaceas.

I'm mixed on unions, all told. I don't like the dichotomy they enforce between management and workers. This often exists anyway, so I can't blame unions. And it is also true that individuals don't have the leverage for negotiation that groups do, such that it makes sense on why they can get better conditions when just between company and group.

Re:Google hired union-busting consultants to convince employ... by flavius29663 on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @10:52AM (#29908096)
If you don't fire bad employees and just shift them around, it's more likely they will find a manager that promotes them, is it not?

Unions sound to me like just another layer of bureaucracy, with its own mind and interests. Any extra bureaucracy increases corruption and inefficiencies.

Re:Google hired union-busting consultants to convince employ... by taeric on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:28AM (#29908817)
I mean. Maybe? Seems I could just as easily blame management for not better training and removing bad managers.
Re:Google hired union-busting consultants to convince employ... by flavius29663 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:19AM (#29920973)
Bad or under-performing managers will always be there, unless you work in a utopia. If you add un-fireable employees to the mix, you only compound the problem. Un-fireable employees also amplify the dead-sea effect: where good people will leave anyway after a while, but bad employees never do...what do you end up with?
Re:Google hired union-busting consultants to convince employ... by omginternets on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @10:50AM (#29908062)
>This feels... Unlikely to be a thing of unions.

Why? I likewise have mixed feelings about unions, but I have repeatedly noticed this pattern in countries with strong (typically: constitutionally-protected) unions.

Re:Google hired union-busting consultants to convince employ... by taeric on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:26AM (#29908790)
I've seen in it many non unionized shops. And there are plenty of examples you can find of promotions that seem unwarranted. Nepotism is a common reason. As is just general networking. Seems common for folks to get good at networking and generally pleasing management as much as doing a great jobs.

I'd be delighted to see data on this. My prior is that it is rather evenly mixed with no obvious cause.

Re:Google hired union-busting consultants to convince employ... by Claude_Shannon on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @10:59AM (#29908239)
City company my dad's working at has SIX unions. Whose leaders sit so deep in the city council pockets it is not even funny.