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Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by rahimnathwani on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:08PM (#29899728)
If I want to use the iOS messaging app to send an SMS message (not an iMessage) to another iOS user, how do I do that?
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by dev_tty01 on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @07:26PM (#29900546)
In the Messages app preferences, you turn off the big switch that enables iMessage. No need to deregister or anything. Just flip the switch. The deregister process mentioned here is intended for leaving the iOS ecosystem so that messages will find you properly.
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by rahimnathwani on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @07:55PM (#29900861)
So, any time I want to send an SMS message to an iOS user, I need to turn off iMessage globally (affecting all message to/from all contacts). This isn't a practical option.

I think that's why GGP's comment ("Apple's approach is they have essentially hijacked the SMS protocol") is justified. If you want to use any iMessage functionality, you surrender your ability to send SMS to iOS users.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by thirdsun on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:39AM (#29920586)
I'm pretty sure that the number of users actually wanting to send an SMS rather than an iMessage to their fellow iOS-equipped friends is very, very small. I can't even think of a fitting use case.

It surely doesn't warrant a per-message-toggle and a global setting seems reasonable in my opinion.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by quickthrowman on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:54PM (#29900215)
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by rahimnathwani on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @07:06PM (#29900362)
That choice is global (affecting all messages, and all contacts).
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by frosted-flakes on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:58PM (#29900272)
I think you can disable the IMessage service. It's buried somewhere in the global Settings tool.
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by rahimnathwani on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @07:06PM (#29900356)
That choice is global (affecting all messages, and all contacts).

At the time I send a message to an iOS user (who has iMessage enabled), there's no way (AFAICT) for me to choose whether that message is sent via SMS or via iMessage.

(Perhaps if I turn off my data connections, iOS will eventually send the message via SMS?)

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by amrangaye on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:46PM (#29901246)
What is your use case here? Why would you want to send an SMS to another user who also has iMessage? Or do you mean you think that should just be a capability of any messaging service?
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by lurker_primo on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @10:42PM (#29902006)
I don't have an iphone, but I saw a similar issue with Signal.

My wife and I use Signal to message each other and we have Signal as sms handler on our android phones. For some reason, she had to use a dumb phone with no Signal app for a couple of weeks. After a few days, she was suspicious that she is not getting some sms'es. I wanted to test if this was true, but I couldn't. Any message I sent to her number through Signal would be sent as a Signal message which wouldn't be delivered and I couldn't figure out how to send as sms. I had to change my sms app to another app, and then send using that app. Now, the new sms app couldn't read all older sms because Signal removes all sms from android sms database into Signal. So, now I use separate apps for Signal and sms.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by frosted-flakes on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:48PM (#29901265)
Why not? Maybe someone doesn't want to reveal what phone they're using at the moment, or maybe they just prefer plain-ol SMS.