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Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by partiallypro on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:32PM (#29899202)
> Google is literally pulling a "think of the children" campaign when the children don't even care what anyone is using because they're all on snapchat, whatsapp, and everything else.

Except stats don't back up what you are saying, at least not in the US. RCS is no less trash than SMS, it's actually an improvement over SMS. They could come together, along with carriers, to create an even better standard but one party is holding out...and blocking any innovation (hint, it's Apple.) I don't get how people are ok with them hijacking an open standard.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by threeseed on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:05PM (#29899701)
Actually the issue is with carriers.

They don't want features like end to end encryption because it relegates them to being a dumb pipe and limits their ability to innovate e.g. parsing SMS messages for advertising purposes. Also many carriers are closely tied to governments who want to be able to monitor communication.

I've worked for a number of telcos over the years and can assure you that they don't have the interest of users at heart.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by kitsunesoba on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @07:28PM (#29900567)
This isn’t emphasized enough. The carriers should have no more say in what comes to replace SMS than ISPs do.

As such, RCS isn’t the answer simply because the carriers were involved. SMS’ successor should basically be a vendor agnostic WhatsApp or Signal complete with E2E built into the base spec instead of duct taped on as an extension that can conveniently be ignored.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @09:11AM (#29906497)
> SMS’ successor should basically be a vendor agnostic WhatsApp or Signal complete with E2E built into the base spec instead of duct taped on as an extension that can conveniently be ignored.

Great. Build something, then call me when you have the default messaging app on board on every platform save one.

From my perspective, RCS has the best shot at this and the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.

Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by iamtheworstdev on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @07:15PM (#29900429)
better than SMS is an extremely low bar. RCS is not better than iMessage. Simplest point - RCS isn't going to be received by all of my devices. It's only going to be received by my phone. That feature is one of the biggest selling points of iMessage.
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by kcb on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:20PM (#29901084)
Apple can support iMessage and RCS and SMS at the same time. They have the ability.
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by iamtheworstdev on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @01:26PM (#29910871)
but they have no need. literally no one is running around saying "we want RCS"
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by kcb on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @06:49PM (#29914544)
we want RCS
Re:Google says iMessage is too powerful by iamtheworstdev on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:53AM (#29921339)
are you a google developer? ;-)