U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic terrorism

Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by gruez on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:13PM (#29898885)

>> It was a protest turned aggressive, it was in no way an insurrection, no evidence has been presented that was the intent of the group what so ever.

>[...] Admitting you’re trying to stop the process is an act of resistance against the government.

So you're saying resisting the government = insurrection? Is picketing outside of government offices (ie. the kind where you block people/cars from entering/leaving a building) an "insurrection"? Or does it only apply to capitols? Suppose you got a bunch of picketers to surround your state capitol, and representatives couldn't enter, would that be an insurrection?

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Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by cogman10 on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:21PM (#29899014)

There's a pretty clear dividing line in the fact that violence was involved or attempted.

So, yes, you can picket government buildings all you want, but the moment you start killing security and seeking to kill representatives, you've insurrected or are a party to an insurrection.

> Insurrection - a violent uprising against an authority or government.

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Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by gruez on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:44PM (#29899399)

>There's a pretty clear dividing line in the fact that violence was involved or attempted.

BLM protests can get pretty violent. Are they insurrections?

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Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by cogman10 on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @07:54PM (#29900851)

No, they are riots, because they are missing the second half of the insurrection requirement.

> a violent uprising against an authority or government.

2 elements needed to be insurrection, Violence, and against authority or government.

BLM riots are violent, but not targeted at the government.

The Jan 6 insurrection was both violent and against the government. They disrupted government operations to try and change the results of an election. Can you find a definition of insurrection that wouldn't include the Jan 6 riots?

Can you name a BLM riot which was targeted at the government?

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Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by abduhl on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:47PM (#29901252)

What about this one? "Portland protest declared a riot Sunday as federal building is breached" https://nypost.com/2020/07/26/portland-protest-declared-a-ri...

In fact, wouldn't all of the BLM movements accurately be described as targeted at the government because they were explicitly aimed at enacting change in government institutions like the police?

In another post you say that "until a BLM protest attempts to use force to overthrow a city, state, or federal government, it's a riot at best when violence is involved." But how do you classify the CHAZ in Seattle, where force was used to overthrow city and state governments and establish an "autonomous" zone where guns and violence were the only recognized power by the occupiers?

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Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by vsareto on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:30PM (#29899175)

> So you're saying resisting the government = insurrection?

It’s literally the definition: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insurrection

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Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by gruez on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @05:42PM (#29899373)

Regardless of what the dictionary.com definition is, something tells me that most people wouldn't label a bunch of BLM activists that refuse to disperse as "insurrectionists".

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Re:U.S. Justice Department forming unit to counter domestic ... by cogman10 on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:04PM (#29900953)

Refusing to disperse isn't a violent attack on the government. At best, when BLM protests do become violent, they are riots. Until a BLM protest attempts to use force to overthrow a city, state, or federal government, it's a riot at best when violence is involved.

I've not seen anyone having a problem calling BLM riots riots when they happen. I've seen a lot of people struggle to call Jan 6 a riot or insurrection.

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