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Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by barbazoo on Monday January 10, 2022 @02:36PM (#29880601)
> Those who don't want to get vaccinated should take personal responsibility for that, not expect society to take as much care of them

How would that work practically though? They still end up in the hospital, they're not going to test if they're vaxxed and put them at the end of the line if not.

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by majormajor on Monday January 10, 2022 @02:40PM (#29880675)
No, I would argue for exactly that. If ten patients arrive at the ER and it's full, the unvaccinated-without-a-medical-condition-preventing-vaccination COVID patient gets a bed last, after the vaccinated COVID patients and any non-COVID patients. For people in CA, at least, there are digital records of this, not much testing needed.

This would be called "heartless" on the individual scale, but towards a group that I believe is being heartless on a societal scale.

Honestly, it's a capsule of where we are as a country: Here we have a government entity whose suggestions are rejected by these people still suggesting to prioritize them in order to get them the best treatment possible. I don't see anything like the same consideration for others being made by most of the unvaccinated. One side is trying to do what's best for everyone, the other side doesn't really give a shit about thinking things through.

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by pessimizer on Monday January 10, 2022 @03:08PM (#29881334)
If they don't conveniently arrive at the same time, needing the same amount of care, would you advocate pulling the unvaccinated off ventilators and out of beds to be replaced by the vaccinated?

If two do arrive at the same time, an unvaccinated person with far worse sickness faintly mumbling about ivermectin who waited until the last minute to come in, and a vaccinated person who is suffering but nowhere near the danger zone - do you put the unvaccinated person on the sidewalk outside?

What about smokers or fat people?

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by majormajor on Monday January 10, 2022 @03:11PM (#29881417)
Short answer: yes.

Long answer: you'd probably come up with a protocol around "ok, we have this ventilator available, give it to the unvaxed patient, but if we have other patients who end up needing one and they haven't improved in X hours/days, we will reallocate" and similar for all the various ways people can present, but "conveniently"... if the health system is that overloaded, you're gonna have ERs with a lot of patients all arriving at the same time.

Hell, even pre-COVID, I got stuck waiting in an ER in December for days because the hospital was full once.

(To your edit: has either smoking or obesity caused hospitals to fill to capacity and have to turn away patients? You'll notice here I'm talking about scarce medical resource allocation prioritization where they're actively competing with those more considerate of the rest of us, not something like insurance payments or coverage.)

Re:More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ by landemva on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @01:36PM (#29895665)
90%+ who get on a ventilator die there. That is one of the least effective treatments. The least effective treatment award goes to Remdesivir.