Milan confirms new cycling network linking 80% of the city to bike paths

Re:Milan confirms new cycling network linking 80% of the cit... by gsliepen on Monday January 10, 2022 @09:45AM (#29875539)

In the Netherlands there are also roads with just a painted bike lane. The difference is that the whole bike lane is painted in a solid color (usually reddish). This gives a constant visual feedback to drivers. Because of the paint it is just ever so slightly raised and has a different texture than the regular asphalt, so there can be a noticable difference in sound when car tires go onto the bike lane.

See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_in_the_Netherlands#/me...

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Re:Milan confirms new cycling network linking 80% of the cit... by DoingIsLearning on Monday January 10, 2022 @09:50AM (#29875622)

The main difference is that the decision of painting the road or segregating traffic in the Netherlands is based on traffic volume and traffic speed. High speed high traffic zones get segregate bicycle traffic. Low speed low traffic routes can cope with mixed traffic and just a side lane for bicycles.

The decision of just painting over curbs for cost is the main infrastructure mistake and 'false saving' in a lot of European cities outside NL.

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Re:Milan confirms new cycling network linking 80% of the cit... by ben-schaaf on Monday January 10, 2022 @10:06AM (#29875906)

> The main difference is that the decision of painting the road or segregating traffic in the Netherlands is based on traffic volume and traffic speed. High speed high traffic zones get segregate bicycle traffic. Low speed low traffic routes can cope with mixed traffic and just a side lane for bicycles.

The current standard technically doesn't allow for bicycle gutters: Traffic should be either fully mixed on low speed, low volume streets or fully separated. Though bicycle gutters do still get made (space being the primary excuse), from what I've seen it's primarily old roads that have yet to be renewed since the standards changed.

https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2020/08/12/cycle-lanes-in...

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Re:Milan confirms new cycling network linking 80% of the cit... by masklinn on Monday January 10, 2022 @10:08AM (#29875955)

Cycle lanes are the subject of active and intense debate in the netherlands, and while they remain grandfathered (not sure they’re allowed for new roads) they are not the part of the recommendations.

Furthermore, the legal management of cycle lanes is a lot harsher in the netherlands: drivers are not allowed to drive, park, or stop in cycle lanes. Cycle lanes with solid lines can not be encroached on at all, while cycle lanes with dashed lines may be crossed or used to pass an obstacles.

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