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Re:Upwork asking me for a $12.5k refund as the client was us... by SpicyLemonZest on Sunday January 09, 2022 @12:25PM (#29865323)
It's not a one-sided problem. They could do wire transfers, but that would be a substantial cost for their client side users, since most (American) banks charge $20-30 for outgoing wire transfers. It's not obvious to me why avoiding chargeback issues should dominate all other concerns, as bad as it is.
Re:Upwork asking me for a $12.5k refund as the client was us... by notahacker on Sunday January 09, 2022 @01:15PM (#29865841)
I think the point is the insecure payment method was Upwork's decision (they don't even allow their freelancer to propose an alternative their own payment solution) as was accepting the stolen card; risk management of non-reversible payments has a cost too, but that's a decision Upwork made. The only security decision the freelancer made was not to use Upwork's spyware. Which would give Upwork valid reason to default to siding with the client over the freelancer in the case of a dispute about completed work, but not to demand a freelancer reimburse them because Upwork had chosen to accept reversible payments with a stolen card and couldn't easily recover funds from their client after the chargeback.
Re:Upwork asking me for a $12.5k refund as the client was us... by jacquesm on Sunday January 09, 2022 @01:14PM (#29865832)
Apparently the cost of credit card processing amounts to $12.5K, on account of something that the freelancer could not have been aware of. The thing to watch for is whether Upwork improves their processes on account of this happening, changes their terms of service (supply side) changes their terms of service (demand side) or does nothing at all. That will tell you all you need to know.
Re:Upwork asking me for a $12.5k refund as the client was us... by Retric on Sunday January 09, 2022 @12:59PM (#29865697)
Credit cards also have fees. When you start talking thousands of dollar transactions CC start being more expensive.
Re:Upwork asking me for a $12.5k refund as the client was us... by ipaddr on Sunday January 09, 2022 @02:47PM (#29866694)
At 1000 dollars 4% is $40.