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Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by matheusmoreira on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:24PM (#29855795)
There's no benefits to mining bitcoin specifically. You're right about that, it buys us nothing. Wouldn't mind even more energy being spent to secure the Monero blockchain though.

Also, scams are only common in the smart contract networks. People create useless shitcoins and spam telegram groups in order to generate some quick hype and exit with as much money as possible. I'd certainly like to believe nobody would be dumb enough to actually invest massive amounts of capital into these scams but that's exactly what they do.

Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by theturtletalks on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:32PM (#29855876)
The cost users are paying is the cost of decentralization. One single entity will always be cheaper than blockchain decentralization, but the cost can be spread across millions or billions of users.

Now if the cost is worth it remains to be seen.

Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by matheusmoreira on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:36PM (#29855917)
Bitcoin is not decentralized. You need specialized hardware to mine bitcoin and the entry costs are enormous. One CPU one vote is history. As a result there are relatively few miners. Just look at how much bitcoin suffered when countries started banning mining activities. A truly decentralized coin would simply shrug off attempts at regulation because there are so many independent nodes no single country could possibly ban them all. What happened instead is one country banning BTC put a stop to a huge chunk of the network.
Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by theturtletalks on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:57PM (#29856153)
I mean decentralization in the "proving ownership" way. Right now, a bank can be the central authority on how much money you have in your account. With Bitcoin, people collectively determine how much each person has through the blockchain. A bank doing it will always be cheaper, but then the bank has too much control. How much are people willing to pay to make sure one entity does not have too much control or power?
Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by matheusmoreira on Saturday January 08, 2022 @04:18PM (#29856393)
> With Bitcoin, people collectively determine how much each person has through the blockchain.

That's how it was supposed work. The current reality is small highly centralized group of miners maintain the blockchain.

Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by theturtletalks on Saturday January 08, 2022 @04:27PM (#29856474)
Do you think more miners will join if Bitcoin gains more adoption? Their is a cost to even find out if decentralization (through blockchain) is even worth it.
Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by matheusmoreira on Saturday January 08, 2022 @04:37PM (#29856578)
How? They can't. My PC, laptop and phone can't mine bitcoin.

The way to achieve true decentralization is ASIC resistant mining algorithms and some form of diminishing returns to force miners to operate at small to medium scales. We need lots and lots of small miners running on commodity hardware that people already own, not a few large scale operations running on expensive custom silicon.

Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by theturtletalks on Monday January 10, 2022 @12:44PM (#29878495)
You make some great points. My points were for crypto in general, so do you think a crypto will come that is truly decentralized and can be mined more easily?
Re:Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me? by matheusmoreira on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:38AM (#29890232)
I think Monero is closest to the original cryptocurrency dream. Not perfect but closest. It has ASIC resistant algorithms to make mining with normal CPUs feasible.