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Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by Nextgrid on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:36AM (#29850709)
Maybe you are lucky to live in a country where you agree with your government's definition of what a crime, but in certain parts of the world they call "crime" what you would call "democracy".

To add to this, I think it might be better if the protocol was private by default but allow the sender to choose the level of disclosure and the recipient to publish (as part of the address?) what levels are required (so a sender can’t submit a payment whose disclosure level doesn’t match the policy set by the recipient - the transaction just wouldn’t happen as the miners would enforce this and reject the TX).

That would allow the protocol to be flexible to accommodate different use-cases depending on the jurisdiction the payment falls under and allow recipients to be compliant (as the protocol implicitly rejects transactions that don’t match the recipient’s chosen policy). The same protocol can thus be used across many different jurisdictions and anti-money-laundering regulations.

Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by alkonaut on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:47AM (#29851168)
The distinction between functioning democracies and dictatorships/autocracies is that in one you might need anonymous financial transactions to have dissent.

In the other, being able to hide transactions from authorities will quickly erode the democracy you have.

Whether complete financial anonymity is a net positive or negative is likely context dependent.

Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by Nextgrid on Saturday January 08, 2022 @08:33AM (#29851511)
Which is why I think having transparency as a non-negotiable feature of the protocol is bad and calling it "privacy" is very misleading.

I edited my comment above to suggest a configurable level of disclosure which the sender & recipient can enforce, so that way the same protocol can support both traceable and anonymous payments depending on the desired use-case and local laws.

Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by summm on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:30AM (#29851045)
So this would be a system for the civilized world, for democracies, where the government's definition of what a crime is at least coarsely coincides with my definition? More authoritarian or non-democractic governments will just not approve it and have their citizens use surveillance-based mechanisms that allow their secret services to track everything their citizens do, even as private customers. Mechanisms, like, for example Visa, Mastercard, or Paypal.
Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by throwaway2048 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:43AM (#29850747)
I don't think many people consider tax evasion "democracy"
Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by captn3m0 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:03PM (#29854958)
The protocol is private by default (with a few regulated entities that issue coins).

The “taxable and disclosure” part is mostly ensuring that all the money earned by a merchant goes back to a real bank account. Where tax authorities should already have checks and balances in place for taxation purposes.

Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by darthrupert on Saturday January 08, 2022 @09:36AM (#29852027)
Yeah, you have a point. I'm actually unlucky enough to live in a country where the authorities have made growing and purchasing even the mildest recreative drugs illegal roughly half a century ago, and haven't yet fixed this error. So I buy them illegally, using crypto.
Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by peoplefromibiza on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:45AM (#29850755)
money laundering is a crime everywhere.
Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by chucktingle on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:54AM (#29850807)
Why, yes, of course. I wonder if it's possible to run a children's defense organization, or a women rights one, or maybe an agriculture union, and get labeled as terrorist. That would qualify all money transfers to and from your entity as money laundering.

I wish I was making this up... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/inside-israel-s-decision...

Re:GNU Taler – Payment system for privacy-friendly, fast, ea... by wizzwizz4 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @06:59AM (#29850842)
I don't think that's what money laundering means. Surely it would be “financing terrorism” or something, rather than money laundering (which is about faking / hiding a paper trail)?