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Re:Parler Raises $20M by throwawaysea on Saturday January 08, 2022 @12:29AM (#29848903)
What sitting Congress members, big tech (Amazon, Apple, and Google), and others did to collude and blackhole Parler was disgusting. There is no room in an open society with classically liberal values for such censorship and abuse of power. As a reminder, AOC called for tech companies to block Parler and they all complied (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/how-silicon-valley-in-a-sho...). These are companies that have every incentive to obey, to avoid antitrust action due to their monopolistic practices. Tech companies also then muzzled a sitting President and continue to use the same playbook today against anyone who doesn’t share their ideology (recent example: https://thepostmillennial.com/youtube-removes-joe-rogan-inte...).

Meanwhile Facebook and Twitter, which played more of a role in the Capitol riot and in the numerous much more violent and damaging riots throughout 2020, faced no such pressure or consequence from politicians or technology companies.

I have never posted on Parler. But the few times I glanced at it, the content seemed fine. Most importantly it was legally protected speech. I don’t agree with all my fellow citizens but I want them to be able to talk, and I want to hear their ideas. Parler raising funds is great news and I wish them luck. Even if I disagree with their audience.

Re:Parler Raises $20M by gpu_explorer on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:48AM (#29849594)
Companies do not have to allow people to use their platforms to engage in antisocial behavior. I'm sorry, but you can't go say whatever you want in the middle of a restaurant and assume that freedom of expression protects you from what happens when others don't want to hear what you have to say. Unless of course you're a toddler.
Re:Parler Raises $20M by throwawaysea on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:55AM (#29849636)
Good thing we aren’t talking about restaurants. Social media companies are common carriers, just another set of telecom utilities that must be regulated so they cannot deny users access once they’re above a certain size. AWS is also just basic infrastructure the public is dependent on in our modern society and should be regulated similarly. All these companies face limited competition due to network effects and market capitalization, and should be regulated for antitrust reasons as well. And in all cases they must be forced to accept customers of all different persuasions. Political viewpoints should also be made a protected class formally.

Also your claims of judging and disallowing speech on a subjective determination of being “antisocial” is exactly the kind of authoritarian kafka-esque censorship that makes the policies of these huge tech platforms incompatible with a free society.

Re:Parler Raises $20M by ethanbond on Saturday January 08, 2022 @08:01AM (#29851255)
Why wouldn’t the solution be to build an actual publicly-funded alternative?
Re:Parler Raises $20M by gpu_explorer on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:14PM (#29855685)
> Social media companies are common carriers, just another set of telecom utilities that must be regulated so they cannot deny users access once they’re above a certain size.

In your opinion. There are many good arguments against this and you know it.

> Also your claims of judging and disallowing speech on a subjective determination of being “antisocial” is exactly the kind of authoritarian kafka-esque censorship that makes the policies of these huge tech platforms incompatible with a free society.

This sounds like your arguments are misinformed or perhaps not realizing how things are.

Speech is already heavily regulated by civil agreements throughout American society. I don't have enough time to type all the examples, but here are a few: you can't sell trade secrets from your employer and claim freedom of expression, you can't scream loudly during a theater performance, you can't curse in a restaurant, you can't go sell things 'table-to-table' in a restaurant, you can't make public statements about someone's marital fidelity, or whether or not they have transmissible infections or diseases. There are many other examples.

So there are already pretty strong guards against behaving in antisocial manner and trying to claim that it's 'protected speech'. But I understand that it's very convenient for you to try to say that such guards are 'authoritarian' and 'kafka,esque' instead of presenting even a tiny crumb of valid argument against my very well-argued position.

Re:Parler Raises $20M by lazyeye on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:22AM (#29851000)
Exactly.

I'm sure the foot-soldiers of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had the exact same purity of thought, the exact same infallible self-belief and the exact same certainty they were on the right side of history.

Re:Parler Raises $20M by ethanbond on Saturday January 08, 2022 @08:00AM (#29851240)
So did a lot of the foot-soldiers of Eisenhower. Or like Euclid and Fermi. This is just not informative.
Re:Parler Raises $20M by lazyeye on Saturday January 08, 2022 @01:45PM (#29854750)
Not really. Just making the point that believing you're advocating for social good does not mean you are doing social good.

I'm guessing Eisenhower, Euclid and Fermi would have had no problem with people disagreeing with them.

Re:Parler Raises $20M by ethanbond on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:31PM (#29855242)
Actually what you’re trying to do by picking those examples is affiliate self-assuredness with evil.
Re:Parler Raises $20M by lazyeye on Saturday January 08, 2022 @04:02PM (#29856211)
Absolutely not. I'm saying believing you are doing good does not necessarily imply you are doing good.

And I picked some extreme examples from the same side of the political spectrum to illustrate that.

Re:Parler Raises $20M by gpu_explorer on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:25PM (#29855811)
It's interesting that you raise totalitarians like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot in this discussion. What are you trying to imply? Implication isn't a sound argument.
Re:Parler Raises $20M by lazyeye on Saturday January 08, 2022 @04:08PM (#29856281)
See above.
Re:Parler Raises $20M by tcmart14 on Monday January 10, 2022 @06:09AM (#29873066)
I don't agree with shutting parler off, and I despise Amazon, but I will defend amazon here. If you believe in property right, Parler ran on AWS's servers and I am pretty sure the ToS probably states they have the right to terminate the service. I am also extremely far left.

The best solution would be to run your own infrastructure. If your gonna piggy back off someone else's infrastructure, you have to play by their rules rather or not you like it.

Amazon even produce documents over months prior to them shutting off the services of concern and willingness to work with them to resolve them. Parler chose not to respond.