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Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by 908B64B197 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:46PM (#29829874)
It's the reason it's harder to work in a resort or operate a taxi in Cuba than it is to become a "doctor".

The former has access to foreign currency with a real value. The later can hope to maybe get an exit visa (the government will loan it's "doctors" to foreign regimes in exchange for real currencies).

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by reaperducer on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:37PM (#29830608)
I'm curious why you put the word doctor in quotation marks, as if to imply they are substandard.

It was always my understanding that while Cuba lacks a lot of things that many other countries take for granted, that the quality of its doctors was outstanding. I even remember seeing this mentioned in the newspaper at the beginning of the pandemic.

Is this not true, or no longer true? Have I been under a false impression for all this time?

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by Aunche on Thursday January 06, 2022 @07:26PM (#29832843)
I visited Cuba with a doctor and we took a couple of drunk tourists to the hospital. I also met another doctor who went to a medical conference there. Overall, their conclusion was that Cuban doctors are legit, but their medical system is very primitive.
Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by 908B64B197 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:02PM (#29830931)
> Is this not true, or no longer true? Have I been under a false impression for all this time?

Annecdotal evidence, but an acquintance of mine (who is an MD) encountered Cuban "doctors" in South America and wasn't impressed at all.

> I even remember seeing this mentioned in the newspaper at the beginning of the pandemic.

The thing is that Cuba made a lot of claims about their handling of the pandemic, but as with every communist country out there it's hard to really know what's really going on.

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Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by 908B64B197 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @06:41PM (#29832313)
> Are people being locked down? Is mobility down? No?

Sure isn't.

Food and medicine shortages due to COVID-19 caused the biggest anti Castro regime protests since the 90's [0] [1]. Thanks to the communist regime people are back to starvation. Even the government was forced to acknowledge it because it got so big.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Cuban_protests

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/americas/cuba-protests/index....

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by sudosysgen on Thursday January 06, 2022 @06:56PM (#29832512)
Food and medicine shortage in Cuba is an unavoidable impact of the pandemic, no matter the measures imposed, for an obvious reason both you and I know - tourism is the only real avenue for Cuba to accumulate foreign currency.

Certainly the economy took a hit, and this is true everywhere in the world, but starvation? I'd like to see a source for that, as you haven't provided any. Typically, what happens in situations where island countries cannot acquire foreign currency, is that they cannot import specialty foods, and have to rely on local, low-quality and repetitive sources of nutrition. But it is very unlikely for actual starvation to happen.

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Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by perl4ever on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:04PM (#29834293)
What is the connection between Cuba and "Excess mortality in Wuhan city and other parts of China during the three months of the covid-19 outbreak: findings from nationwide mortality registries"?

Are you saying that since we know that Chinese statistics are accurate, Cuban statistics must also be?

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by 908B64B197 on Friday January 07, 2022 @02:29PM (#29843581)
I don't think there's a connection. I think we might have tripped up some keyword and got a copy-pasted response.

Posting history suggest that poster references this study pretty frequently.

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by camdat on Friday January 07, 2022 @05:32PM (#29845794)
I've referenced the study twice in about 50 comments, and only in the past 2 days. Not exactly frequently, and I even acknowledge I'm reposting it in the OP.

Incredibly disingenuous to assume everyone that disagrees with you (and with factual data noless) is a bot/shill

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by 908B64B197 on Friday January 07, 2022 @05:57PM (#29846086)
> factual data

Nothing about Cuba, so nothing factual here.

Wuhan had a lot of international observer since it was the birthplace of the pandemic (and China had to save face and show it was in control).

I would be curious to see similar credible data for Cuba.

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by camdat on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:03PM (#29846170)
What do you think the word factual means?
Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by perl4ever on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:30PM (#29846445)
It appears to be a study about Wuhan, in China.

Where is the factual data about Cuba in this study?

Assuming you've read it, and you know where it is, please give people a hint.

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by camdat on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:32PM (#29846470)
Replied in other thread.
Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by sudosysgen on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:30PM (#29834482)
The original argument is that the "communist strategy" for handling the pandemic doesn't work and that they are faking the statistics.

Beyond that, given the fact that both of them used very similar tactics, we would expect similar results.

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by perl4ever on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:27PM (#29846418)
If nobody even cares in the first place which country's statistics they are talking about...what is "faking the statistics"?

People. Don't. Click. On. Links.

And if they do, they sure don't read them.

I can't be bothered to read a study promoted by someone who has shown no evidence at all of reading it yet.

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by camdat on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:31PM (#29846455)
I posted this study to show that it's likely "communist" countries are not lying about their COVID numbers. I assumed my use of the word "these" would have made that obvious, but given these responses it seems not.

I have read the study hence why I posted it (couldn't find a study of similar rigor for Cuba specifically). This study sufficiently shows the point I'm trying to make.

To say I didn't read the link to a study I posted is a bit rude no?

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by camdat on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:53PM (#29831701)
Why the quotes around doctor? Cuba has some of the best health outcomes in the LatAm (and arguably the world), it seems like their doctors are of a higher quality than most.
Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by lobocinza on Thursday January 06, 2022 @06:58PM (#29832544)
Accordingly to Cuban government or reliable sources?
Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by scythe on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:07PM (#29833844)
The user you replied to posted such a source just a few comments down:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29831757

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by perl4ever on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:02PM (#29834273)
That appears to be about China. What am I missing?

Also, assuming we have perfect faith in Chinese government statistics and Cuban government statistics...

Nevertheless, the wild variations in Covid experiences between countries and controversy over why it happened, make me think it is a useless yardstick.

Re:Tips to grow your North Korean Startup by lobocinza on Saturday January 08, 2022 @01:18AM (#29849103)
> What am I missing?

I think nothing. Cuban is an authoritarian government that uses it's healthcare for propaganda. It has all the incentives to lie and AFAIK none of these claims are verified by independent parties parties. Regardless of political system it's a poor embargoed island and it's easier to believe that they are gaming the metrics than really providing better health outcomes.