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Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by bee_rider on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:44PM (#29828861)
I, and I think many other people, didn't really 'work' at learning to type. We just practiced as a side effect of using the computer rather than, say, taking typing lessons. For someone like me, QWERTY has a difficulty curve. I think seno technically wouldn't have a curve. The inability to hunt and peck means that without explicitly setting aside time to train in steno, there isn't any way to make real progress. Mathematically, a curve should not contain discontinuities!
Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by rightbyte on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:19PM (#29829441)
I never learned to write on a keyboard in a controlled way and I still can't 'touch type' naturally.

I tried to learn in, but I always fall back to my old habits since my right hand hurt otherwise. I don't think I will ever bother getting fast. It is probably way better to learn it properly from the beginning.

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by dntrkv on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:45PM (#29829860)
A while back I decided to fix some of my bad keyboard habits. I forget the software I used, but it took me about 2 weeks of daily 15 minute practice to fix many of my bad habits and improve my typing skills in general. I’ve been thinking about doing it again because I still have some remaining bad habits, especially with the pinkies. Well worth the effort, at least for me.
Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by rightbyte on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:24PM (#29830420)
I did about the same and I got alot better, but I think I need to practice a bit more to not fall back when I don't think about it.
Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by foxfluff on Friday January 07, 2022 @04:40AM (#29837101)
The best way to learn IMO is to find a way to force you into it.

What worked for me was switching to dvorak. With no keycaps to match the layout, I had no option but to memorize it (initially with the help of a cheatsheet on screen). Conveniently, back then, I had no idea how to revert back to qwerty without restarting X after using xmodmap to switch layout, and I'm the type to not restart my session (or computer) except for updates every few months or so.

It also helps a lot doing this "at home" when you've nothing particularly important to do on the computer (running a basic touch typing tutor program for an hour or two and again later in the evening while just chatting away on IRC or such during the day is great because you're typing but have no real pressure). Not during work. It sucks struggling to get things done, and you're very likely to switch back to the old method and that'll just stall progress.

After one day, I had more or less memorized the layout but of course typing was still slow and somewhat frustrating. After a few days, it stopped feeling frustrating but was still a little slow. In a week or two I had reached or surpassed my original qwerty speed. I never used qwerty during that period, it was learn or bust.

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by bee_rider on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:46PM (#29829873)
For some reason whenever I try to touch type 'correctly' I make typos. But I do get most of my fingers in play when typing normally. I just have a weird stance -- left index on f, right middle on j, right pinky on p. Index and middle fingers do a little extra work, left pinky is mostly reserved for control keys -- esc, crtl...

I dunno. I don't have anywhere near 60 words per minute that are actually worth recording.

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by Hesinde on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:23PM (#29830413)
I think the point of touch typing is not about being able to type a novel per month, but about spending less mental effort on typing. No matter whether you touch type "properly" or not, the ability to keep focusing on the screen eliminates micro context switches between thinking and typing.
Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by rightbyte on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:30PM (#29831374)
I think you have a great point. It is not as much about speed but about freeing your mind while typing.
Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by rightbyte on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:23PM (#29830399)
Ye since private computer chatting essentially died out I see no use for fast typing anymore. When I and all my friends communicated via computer text typing fast would have been really convenient.

Ergonomic typing however, I guess is important. And I am bad at that. Looking down to find the keys might be a bad habit? I have almost trained that away.

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by ryukafalz on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:34PM (#29831438)
>since private computer chatting essentially died out

News to me

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by rightbyte on Friday January 07, 2022 @04:58AM (#29837244)
Might depend on friends. I meant at a computer with keyboard, not on a phone.
Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by ryukafalz on Friday January 07, 2022 @10:57AM (#29840601)
A good number of people I know use iMessage, which can be used from a Mac. Similarly lots use Facebook Messenger, which can be used from the web.

...and from my understanding WhatsApp is very common in Europe, which can also be used from the web.

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by bee_rider on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:47PM (#29830735)
Hmm. I wonder if I saved myself some embarrassment on Instant Messenger by not typing too fast to think.

I don't really understand why properly trained typing is more ergonomic, anyway. If I keep my hands perfectly on the homerow, each letter is nearly the same exact motion. The way I type normally, my hands move around a bit, so there's a couple character history built into my motions. This seems to me like it ought to reduce the repetitive motions, which are what lead to repetitive strain injuries, right?

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by rightbyte on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:33PM (#29831426)
Ye keeping the fingers at one row home position doing the same dance feels terribly unergonomic and crammed. I was only thinking about the neck looking down (dentists have problems with that).

Maybe I stress my hands more while tryhard practicing touch typing than I would in normal use though.

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by NavinF on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:50PM (#29829947)
A keyboard tray helps since you can’t comfortably keep your eyes on a keyboard that’s under the desk.

Forcing myself to stop looking at the keys initially increased error rate to an unacceptable/demotivating level, but in a couple of weeks I was touch typing quite a bit faster than I could hunt and peck with no loss in accuracy.

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by fortran77 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:25PM (#29834820)
We took typing in 7th grade (12-13 years old). We had a classroom set up with manual typewriters on every desk that had blank keytops.

Lesson one was learning A-S-D-F J-K-L-; and typing words and combinations on the home row, then we'd learn a few new letters each day. After that we had to learn how to use the tab function, address envelopes, and common forms for business letters. We were tested with "eyes on copy" typewriting where we didn't look at our hands.

(Other obsolete skills I learned in "Jr. High School" include how to set letterpress type, and Morse Code. I still use Morse Code today on amateur radio.)

Re:Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing... by dghughes on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:15PM (#29833337)
When I was a kid I got an ATARI 600XL I'd type in code for hours into memory just to have it fail due to errors. But I got good at typing at only age 14.

Then a few years later as teenagers do in high school I choose typing class since all my friends did. So I learned more typing unusual for a guy at that time mid 1980s.

Then IRC when I got onto the Internet in the early 1990s. You had to type very fast to get in a jab or a joke before someone else did.

Now I'm in IT and typing is ubiquitous.