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Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by mfontani on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:01AM (#29794798)
> English has not managed to shed its own. The language suffers similarly (and for the same reason) with the silent letters in doubt, plumber, subtle, indict, and island.

I'm confused. Which letter is silent in "plumber"?

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by housecarpenter on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:10AM (#29794899)
English doesn't tolerate word-final -mb. It's always pronounced as -m, and the -b isn't pronounced when a suffix is added either.

Other examples: dumb, tomb, comb, womb, numb, thumb, catacomb, Coulomb. All of these have a silent B.

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by hypertele-Xii on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:23AM (#29795015)
In most of these cases the final B is itself silent but elongates the previous wovel for me. "dumb" is pronounced longer than "dum", and it's the U that gets elongated. The difference is subtle, but my native tongue has "long wovels" so I'm trained to detect the difference.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by julesnp on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:29AM (#29795092)
That's true for the -omb words, but I've never heard anyone elongate the 'u' in any of the -umb words, at least not in Canadian English.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by CRConrad on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @12:45PM (#29797541)
Paljon suomalaisia täällä?
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:33AM (#29809404)
Empiirisesti ehkä muutama tuhannesta.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by ghc on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:26AM (#29795057)
Wait, what? None of those have a silent B, at least in my region. Are there places that pronounce the same as womb as "woom"?
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by kmm on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:05AM (#29795502)
Can I ask what region you live in? Pronouncing <womb> as /wuːm/ is the dominant pronunciation in every English speaking country, so much so that I can't recall ever hearing it differently, and I'm surprised you've never heard it. It's not a recent change either, the /b/ disappeared somewhere before the 14th century.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by ghc on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:21AM (#29796503)
New England. I've never paid enough attention when traveling to notice (those words aren't exactly the most common to hear), but when I say "woom" my lips end closed, and when I say "womb" my lips end opened after closing. The b isn't "voiced", per se, but it does change the way the word sounds to me.

And to be fair, I am aware New England English is its own distinct thing so I might have grown up in a bubble:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_English

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by selimthegrim on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @12:15PM (#29797171)
NE Ohio and I always pronounced the b too (akin to New England I guess)
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by cbowal on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:02AM (#29794806)
The "b"
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by brabel on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:07AM (#29795522)
I had the same question :D from other comments, it seems a bit controversial, no?

Another one I, as a non native speaker, find odd, is "iron". People just say it as "ion", dropping the 'r', right?? At least that's what I hear.

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by kyrra on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @12:08PM (#29797065)
I oddly discovered this as well (not something I thought about) when watching a playthrough video for a boardgame (Brass: Birmingham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzxf4tfq9as ). In there, he says "iron" as it should be said given the letters in the word. My wife and I are somewhat working to actually say the word that way now.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by jdminhbg on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:15AM (#29795610)
The 'r' and 'o' are transposed: it's pronounced 'iorn.'
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by brabel on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:29AM (#29795760)
According to this[1], that's only in the USA... British English appears to drop the 'r' entirely (that's why I never hear it as I've lived in Europe and Australia)... and the American pronounciation seems so odd, is there any other word where the 'r' and the vowel are swapped like that? I know only one in British/Australian with "centre" being pronounced "center", but can't think of any others.

[1] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/iron

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by CRConrad on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @12:50PM (#29797588)
> British English appears to drop the 'r' entirely

Yeah, but the Brits make up for that by stuffing a lot of extraneous 'r's in between other words.

(TBF, that's a kind of sensible simplification of pronunciation: it's used when one word ends and the next starts with a wovel, to ease the transition.)

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by CRConrad on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @12:44PM (#29797530)
> I'm confused. Which letter is silent in "plumber"?

I was taught it's pronounced "plummer". So, the 'b'.