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Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by Hnrobert42 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:07AM (#29793928)
I did not conflate them. I directly compared them.

In both theft and fraud, the victim is deprived of of something. That’s why people consider them similar crimes.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by bambax on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:24AM (#29794004)
The question is not just the state of the victim, it is (mainly) the intent of the perpetrator and the means used. That's why you don't get the same sentence if you harm somebody by accident or if you meant to do it.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by blitzar on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:31AM (#29794042)
Accidental death and murder both result in someone dead. They are not similar crimes.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by ryathal on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:34AM (#29794496)
Accidental fraud generally isn't even a crime though...
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by dahfizz on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:19AM (#29794975)
They are not the _same_, but they are extremely similar. Do you think first and second degree murder charges are "similar"?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by 369548684892826 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:40AM (#29794086)
Feel pretty similar from the victim’s point of view.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by kube-system on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:08AM (#29794875)
The sentiment that sentencing is justified by retribution is the number one reason why the US criminal justice system is messed up. The concept of right-and-wrong and mens rea are inextricably one.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by Jimmc414 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:00AM (#29794231)
How would you exclude rear ending a car at a red light from that set?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by ryathal on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:35AM (#29794507)
Intent. Both fraud and theft require intent, rear ending a car can happen regardless of intent, and would be a much more severe charge if there was intent.