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Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by bee_rider on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @12:36AM (#29791785)
> “non-violent” criminals can do much more widespread damage individually than violent criminals are likely to

How did you come to that conclusion? It seems like a difficult argument to support.

In terms of human life, probably not, right? I mean hypothetically the investors could have gone on to spend their money on lifesaving ventures and charities but that seems like a roll of the dice.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by danmaz74 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @01:26AM (#29792018)
Not saying this is the case for Holmes', but scams can definitely destroy people's lives. It's not just about being financially ruined - which isn't a small thing - but also the feeling of guilt associated with having fallen for the trick.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by throwawaylinux on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @01:39AM (#29792065)
Are we allowed to include executives who lie about the dangers of tobacco, asbestos, climate change, or politicians and bureaucrats who lie about the evidence they use to justify wars, things of that nature -- all lies for profit which materially damaged others -- in the non-violent bucket to answer your question?

They may not not technically be criminals because the government and judicial system protect this class of people, so in the interest of liability let's not allege they committed any crimes, but in the context of the the question yes white-collar or non-violent "whoopsie daisies" can do much more widespread damage.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes found guilty by bee_rider on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @02:07AM (#29792198)
It does, I guess, technically answer my question in isolation.

In the context of the broader discussion here, though I find it unsatisfying -- Holmes was specifically found guilty of defrauding the investors, and (as far as I've seen) acquitted of defrauding the patients. I don't think the main punishment for tobacco, etc company execs should be based around, hypothetically, ripping off investors (actually I guess their investors don't feel ripped off in many cases).

The main victims, in the case of tobacco and asbestos, seem to be people who've essentially been poisoned. This ought to be considered a violent act in my opinion. Unfortunately the legal system seems to see it differently, so again you are correct, but again I'm left a bit unsatisfied...