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Re:Power, frequency, management: how M1 E cores win by smoldesu on Monday January 03, 2022 @01:33PM (#29784375)
Let's set the stage here though; the most powerful, affluent company in the world made a new chip on silicon that could not be fabricated or bought by any other manufacturers in the world. This new CPU runs a foreign architecture, refuses to run x86 code unless recompiled into "native" instructions. Their decades-old chip manufacturing team manages to make a CPU that's just barely competitive with the rest of the market and... has slightly better battery life? Is it uncouth to say that I was expecting a little more here from the biggest company in the world?

I don't hate Apple because they're a "design and marketing" company; those just happen to be what they're best at. I hate them because they're lazy, they waste money and spend every drop of goodwill they ascertain on locking in consumers, reducing the choice they have inside their ecosystem and raising the wall around their garden. Apple is a company driven by the same ethos that ruined Microsoft 10 years ago, and their reckoning is fast-approaching. The M1 still can't run a ton of software. It is the compatibility underdog, and the x86 developers of the world (at least speaking anecdotally here) simply don't care.

Apple is still not the best chip designer (Nvidia and even AMD nowadays have them beat there), and their marketing is only powerful because they can say whatever they want and people will buy it anyways. You're right on one account though; nobody else markets like they do.

Re:Power, frequency, management: how M1 E cores win by danieldk on Monday January 03, 2022 @02:43PM (#29785488)
AMD nowadays have them beat there

I am not sure what world you live in? Their entry-level chip (the M1) beats workstation-class AMD CPUs like the Ryzen 3700X in most benchmarks, while being passively cooled and using 15W for the whole SOC, while the 3700X uses at least 65W for the CPU alone and requires a large cooling block. All while being passively cooled.

In matrix multiplication workloads, that same entry-level CPU is roughly as fast as a 12 core Ryzen 5900X, while using only 7.5W (the 5900X pretty much goes up to 105W for the same workload).

And all that while delivering stellar battery life.

You can hate Apple for their politics, walled-garden approach, etc. But your comment completely mischaracterizes the engineering feat of M1 CPUs. They have gone from having no presence on laptops/desktops to setting the gold standard for performance per watt.

Re:Power, frequency, management: how M1 E cores win by smoldesu on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @02:30PM (#29798991)
Can you compare the performance to a 5nm AMD chip before testing?
Re:Power, frequency, management: how M1 E cores win by danieldk on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:50AM (#29807486)
It is hard to compare a CPU that has existed for one year and two months to one that will only be released half 2022. This is the problem in a lot of discussions about the M1: people will say 'wait until AMD or Intel releases XYZ'. I can pick up an M1 machine at pretty much any electronics store. By the time XYZ is generally available, the M2 will already be in mass production (in this case 5nm AMD CPUs).

At any rate, this is all besides the point. Even when Apple was still on 7nm, their iPhone/iPad CPUs were already competitive with Intel parts at much better performance per watt (an also left Qualcomm et al. far behind). It has been clear for a few years already that your point that

to make a CPU that's just barely competitive with the rest of the market

is nonsense.

Re:Power, frequency, management: how M1 E cores win by thatswrong0 on Monday January 03, 2022 @03:35PM (#29786451)
Fanboy levels of bias except in the opposite direction. Sheesh.