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Re:Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemplo... by lostmsu on Saturday January 01, 2022 @11:29AM (#29759921)
This argument is scientifically (which you wanted) void: since you are not making a comparison with a low vaccination country, it does not make any sense. Try harder.

I'll give you an example: Russia with relatively low vaccination rates has close to the highest number of excess deaths per capita. Portugal you mentioned is not even close.

> are absolutely no 2 countries like each other

fortunately there are like 200+ of them, so one should be able to see a trend. Even the 50 US states would work.

From what I see you are the one not understanding science and ignoring facts here. You just dismissed my first link based on an irrelevant claim that countries with high vaccination rates still have outbreaks (duh).

Re:Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemplo... by ekianjo on Saturday January 01, 2022 @01:17PM (#29761004)
> You just dismissed my first link based on an irrelevant claim that countries with high vaccination rates still have outbreaks (duh).

you mentioned the first step is hindered. Which is completely not proven by the fact that countries with high vaccination rates should effectively have a R trending towards zero if the vaccines even worked half as well as they should. Instead you see major outbreaks which completely contradicts the "hindrance" you refer to.

> From what I see you are the one not understanding science and ignoring facts here.

Ad-hominem attacks won't get you points here.

Re:Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemplo... by lostmsu on Saturday January 01, 2022 @02:00PM (#29761444)
You started with an ad-hominem attack.

And you just made a new claim with 0 backing in numbers.

I don't know if you are arguing in good faith here, but definitely in low quality. Show us the numbers supporting your point. You just implied R is not affected by vaccination status, but you have provided 1 data to back this.

Whereas I provided a cumulative of thousands of cases, that directly support my point.

Re:Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemplo... by ekianjo on Sunday January 02, 2022 @04:01AM (#29767077)
> You started with an ad-hominem attack.

Where?

> And you just made a new claim with 0 backing in numbers.

which claim?

Re:Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemplo... by lostmsu on Sunday January 02, 2022 @05:31PM (#29774777)
> Where?

"vaccinated people not understanding the science"

> which claim?

"the fact that countries with high vaccination rates should effectively have a R trending towards zero if the vaccines even worked half as well as they should" (implying they do not have R trending to 0 vs unvaxxed).