“Citation please”

“Everything I have read contradicts what you just stated.”

Not sure how I could be clearer. Maybe I made a mistake by admitting my ignorance, but i would rather admit my ignorance than assume I know everything because I read 5 articles and watched a few YouTube videos.

For starters HVDC lines are being installed in many places and many are already operational, and the 'windmills kill too many birds' thing was a push by the fossil fuel industry and has been debunked.

I don't know which five articles you have read but I suggest you read a couple more and more recent ones.

As for 'citation please': that does presume that you have done your own homework, I really don't see why I should do it for you but as to those first two points of yours:

https://theconversation.com/wind-farms-are-hardly-the-bird-s...

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects

Some of those links are well over 1000 km long.

Windmills do kill birds. That isn't seriously disputed. Some large wind farms have had a significant impact on threatened bird species. We might consider that an acceptable cost but the issue hasn't been debunked.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160929143808.h...

Yes, they do kill birds. But you know what? Buildings kill a very large multiple of that and housecats a very large multiple of the buildings. So no, they're not meatgrinders. Yes, some threatened bird species were impacted disproportionally, but any change would impact them because there are so few of them left, which is usually because of other causes: Windmills tend to be situated rather closer to the habitats of large birds of prey than housecats and buildings because we left them very little habitat to begin with, and neither large birds of prey nor windmills work well in an urban setting. But taking good care of this when siting windparks can alleviate a lot of that particular concern.

So yes, the 'windmills are bird killers' theory has been debunked to the extent that it was previously pushed as a false reason to not install windpower. (See for instance: https://windmillskill.com/blog/windfarms-kill-10-20-times-mo...)

There was a whole campaign around this, including endlessly recycled gruesome material of the same 25 birds that at one time flew into a particular mill. Obviously that stuff has legs because hey, gore and something I don't want in my backyard.

I always wonder what drives people to push these issues for more than they are worth.

I appreciate the citations and I will read them.

> I really don't see why I should do it for you

Because the burden of proof rests with the person making the claim.

Only if the claim is an outrageous one, which it really isn't in this case.

To you.