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Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by WalterBright on Thursday December 30, 2021 @01:23PM (#29739585)
> prone to media decay

Not in my experience. I have floppies 40 years old that haven't lost a byte.

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by pxx on Thursday December 30, 2021 @01:33PM (#29739711)
... and I have had 3.5" floppies that have lost data by taking them for a five minute walk a block away.

40 years indicates you're probably using 5¼" (or larger!) media which is slightly better at media decay due to lower densities.

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by WalterBright on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:04PM (#29740098)
I have many 3.5 inchers. None of them lost data, either.

Although as a precaution, I long ago copied them en masse to CDROMs. Later, the CDROMs got copied to hard disks.

I gave away my PDP-11 long ago, but not before I copied the 8" floppies it had (circa 1980). But one day I realized I had neglected to copy a critical file. I had the floppies, but no way to copy them. Then I remembered a friend of mine, Shal Farley, might still have an -11. Calling him up, sure enough, he had it but hadn't fired it up in years and was about to dispose of it. I mailed him the floppies.

He fired up the -11, it still worked fine, and the floppies all copied perfectly. My entire box of floppies, every byte.

A big thanks to Shal and his company, Cheshire Engineering.

(The missing file was one of the source files to Empire for the PDP-11, which I have now backed up on https://github.com/DigitalMars/Empire-for-PDP-11 )

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by Javantea_ on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:43PM (#29740601)
Thank you for sharing your source code for Empire!
Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by mlyle on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:01PM (#29740056)
I just recently went through around 300 floppy disks -- 3.5" HD mostly, but also some 5.25" 360k and a few 3.5" DD. All dating to 1985-1995.

Overwhelming majority of the disks were readable. I have about 15-20 that aren't... and many of them may be formatted Mac 800k which I am not able to read out right now, rather than corrupted.

This even includes many DD disks that were formatted as HD by my PS/2 that just didn't care. Was a slight hassle to get newer drives to ignore the absence of the density hole and read them out.

The bigger problem is that almost all the interesting data I'd want from that era was generally overwritten by dumb stuff. Why keep old papers and source code from when I was a "baby", when a friend was offering a copy of a game?

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by laumars on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:01PM (#29740060)
So have I. But I also remember plenty of floppies that I’ve written data to not even surviving the 30 minute cycle to college back in the 90s.

Maybe consumer floppies were of a lower quality than published ones? I don’t know if that’s true but I do remember having a really low success rate with consumer floppies (it got so bad I’d often write two floppies just in case).

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by reaperducer on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:33PM (#29740459)
I also remember plenty of floppies that I’ve written data to not even surviving the 30 minute cycle to college back in the 90s.

I think stray magnetic fields were more of a problem back then. Fridge magnets, magnetic clasps on wallets and bags, magnetic clasps on notebooks and binders, etc. There were lots of hidden opportunities for corruption.

These days, nobody worries about the mag stripe on their credit card getting wiped. But it was an active concern back then.

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by easrng on Thursday December 30, 2021 @06:52PM (#29743079)
To be fair, basically nobody uses magstripe anymore.
Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by reaperducer on Friday December 31, 2021 @09:32AM (#29748359)
Plenty still do. The Home Depots near me don't do chip. They're magstripe only.

I'm more annoyed when a store doesn't take Apple Pay. The clerks always seem embarrassed when I ask because I'm sure I'm the 900,000th person to inquire. I find it so odd that the Krogers in two cities I've been to recently don't do contactless payments at all.

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by WalterBright on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:06PM (#29740126)
I'd cut a notch in the floppies so I could turn them over and use them. The back sides worked fine, too!
Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by laumars on Thursday December 30, 2021 @05:51PM (#29742516)
I’d have still expected them be writable because unlike CDs, writing a magnetic field isn’t destructive. But what I meant was whether cheap blank disks used a slightly different (cheaper) magnetic alloy with a shorter read/write limit than commercial software where they maybe spent a little more knowing it needed to be read often?

I do remember cassettes had different quality magnetic strips but I don’t know if the same was ever true for disks too… so it’s probably bonkers. I’m just throwing some ideas around without much thought. :)

It might just be a case that college kid me was less careful with his disks than you were.

More recently though, I have unboxed my old collection of 3” (not 3.5” but literally 3 inch) floppies for the Amstrad CPC 464 and they almost all worked despite being nearly 40 years old. So I definitely believe you when you post about your success rate.

Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by evilDagmar on Thursday December 30, 2021 @11:59PM (#29745083)
It depended on which brands of floppies you bought. Some vendors were more profit-oriented than others and would skimp on the binding agent or just the amount of magnetic material without which the signal can become so weak they could become corrupted by being the the same room as a Wooly Willy.
Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by noizejoy on Thursday December 30, 2021 @07:21PM (#29743318)
That was one of the earliest instances I remember, where superior functionality was shipped with a product but kind of locked up. And like some other such “locks” they were easily defeated.
Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by wolrah on Thursday December 30, 2021 @01:36PM (#29739739)
My old floppies are great. The newer ones, starting around 2000 or so, are mostly junk.
Re:Tokyo police lose 2 floppy disks containing info on publi... by WalterBright on Thursday December 30, 2021 @01:57PM (#29740002)
I haven't bought a floppy since 2000, so I wouldn't know!