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Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by ggm on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:13PM (#29732322)
Within four weeks after treatment, 12 of the 14 participants who had received the treatment improved, and 11 of them met FDA criteria for remission. In contrast, only two of the 15 participants who had received the placebo met the criteria for remission

From the article further on.

Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by Terry_Roll on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @09:51PM (#29732983)
Considering we are chemical based, I wonder how of it is the serotonin receptors are plugged with LSD, an effect similar to SSRI's. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/health/lsd-overdoses-case...

But what about other chemicals, Glycine contributes to an increase in 5alpha Reductase which helps reduce Cortisol one of the stress hormones. It can be used in place of sugar in hot beverages and food, how much does stress contribute to depression? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase#List_of_conv...

And then there is Glutathione which increases light sensitivity, could this help reduce Seasonally Affect Disorder (SAD) also known as the winter blues, knowing that it also helps management of ROS, peroxides, lipid peroxides and heavy metals? Glutamine, N-Acetyl Cysteine and Glycine help to increase Glutathione in the body.

I wonder if fMRI has a similar effect on the brain to homogenising milk, namely it softens the fat walls in milk. Is fMRI having an effect in the brain or in the vascular system with plaques that contribute to atherosclerosis, because induction hobs or magnetic induction reduces inflammation https://peerj.com/articles/929.pdf does this demonstrate that depression is caused by a variety of factors not just one's linked to serotonin even though serotonin plays a part with the immune system?

Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by argsv on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:42PM (#29732528)
The two mentioned in the article met the FDA definition of remission. It doesn’t say, how many improved in general. This is important specifically since the sample size of the trial is small.
Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by mlyle on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:44PM (#29732541)
I agree both endpoints are interesting-- but arguably remission is more important of an outcome measure than improvement.
Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by bigfudge on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:17AM (#29734484)
But remission is defined by the same measure. It’s just an arbitrary threshold on the HDRS.
Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by mlyle on Thursday December 30, 2021 @03:40AM (#29734908)
Sure. And improvement is doubtlessly confounded more by the placebo effect. Still, both are interestink.
Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by KarlKemp on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @09:54PM (#29733005)
It's the important & useful of the two endpoints they measured. Anything will have a positive effect on depression if it comes with a lot of high-tech vodoo and people in lab coats. Only it won't last and it will the "yeah, I guess I'm feeling better"-level of improvement.
Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by eru on Thursday December 30, 2021 @01:49AM (#29734331)
> Only it won't last and it will the "yeah, I guess I'm feeling better"-level of improvement.

Who says it won't last? Most depressions actually do get better by themselves.

How do you think humanity has survived so far?

(Most, but not all. And even if it eventually gets better without meds, there was still a lot of suffering.)

Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by lazyasciiart on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:36AM (#29734574)
It's quite possible humanity has survived because most people never get depressed. You need to be quite clear about definitions to have a meaningful conversation on this.
Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by webinvest on Friday December 31, 2021 @07:33PM (#29754118)
Unfortunately your genes don’t care about whether you’re happy or not beyond your gene’s needs for survival and reproduction.
Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by eru on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:20PM (#29805088)
Yes. And given the prevalence of continued prevalence of depression, there might be some evolutionary benefit for the genes that also cause depression.

No clue whether it's the depression itself, or whether that's just a side-effect of something else that's useful.

Re:Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective... by eru on Thursday December 30, 2021 @10:42PM (#29744633)
Maybe. So please ignore the part where I speculate about evolution, if you want to.

Empirically, most clinical depressions get better by themselves today.

Similarly, most alcoholics improve by themselves.

(Of course, effective treatment is still useful!)