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Re:A Texas School District Banned My Book. Then Things Got Ugly by daniel-cussen on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @02:04PM (#29728573)
That absolutely is the pinnacle of literature and it's part of life so it is important to talk about. And it's a very relevant passage these days, as men are culturally expected to actually have "genitals like those of donkeys" to be attractive.
Re:A Texas School District Banned My Book. Then Things Got Ugly by CRConrad on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @07:59PM (#29732222)
So then this book is also a Pinnacle Of Literature, right?
Re:A Texas School District Banned My Book. Then Things Got Ugly by finite_jest on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @11:14PM (#29733530)
If we are being fair, I think it is quite clear (as far as humanities go) that overall the Bible's literary value is much higher than the book in question. If we do a PageRank-like ordering of all books based on quotes and cross-references, quite likely the Bible will come on top.
Re:A Texas School District Banned My Book. Then Things Got Ugly by CRConrad on Thursday December 30, 2021 @05:16AM (#29735409)
Only thing that's missing would be any kind of proof that all the quoting and cross-referencing had anything to do with literary value, per se.

Personally, I suspect other reasons far outweigh that.

Re:A Texas School District Banned My Book. Then Things Got Ugly by finite_jest on Thursday December 30, 2021 @11:12AM (#29737896)
That's a fair point. I guess you could try to correct for that by giving more weight to references by non-Christian authors.

However, I believe with almost any reasonable measure you choose, the KJV Bible has a very high literary value. Even Richard Dawkins would acknowledge that. [1] And for what it's worth, I am not a Christian, so I don't think I am biased by religious zeal or something.

[1]: https://archive.fo/DckMc#selection-2193.0-2201.435

Re:A Texas School District Banned My Book. Then Things Got Ugly by CRConrad on Friday December 31, 2021 @01:50AM (#29745665)
> However, I believe with almost any reasonable measure you choose, the KJV Bible has a very high literary value.

I suspect people think so mainly because besides Shakespeare, that's the only thing most people know of that's written in this "cool" archaic language. Like Shakespeare, it's just on the limit of still being understandable, but full of thees and thous, which, the more people don't understand it, they love it all the more (as witnessed by the usage errors they commit when trying to use it, which judging from what I see online are more freqent than the cases of correct usage).

But when this particular edition was written it was in pretty much ordinary everyday language. And the stories themselves are the same old "vengeful old arsehole on a cloud smites sometimes his beloved semi-barbaric nomadic bronze-age shepherd people, sometimes their enemies" as in all other editions, so "great" as literature? Naah, I still just can't see it.

What "reasonable measure", exactly, makes it so?

> And for what it's worth, I am not a Christian

I am -- in name only (that's the first C in my username). I still believe in nominal determinalism in some cases, though certainly not in my own.

> so I don't think I am biased by religious zeal or something.

I am, all too often. Of the anti- kind.