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Re:Why Web3? by wslh on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @01:38PM (#29728124)
The crux of web3 is the UX, last mile, and/or listing problem: even if you, hypothetically, could find a decentralized solution for every centralized one, the last interface to this mechanism will be centralized.

Your UI (e.g. mobile app) is centralized so the best UI will eventually win because most end users care about UX or will enter this interface because they see a well paid ad. If this UI (e.g. a decentralized search engine interface) wants to censor some content then it will win over the decentralized protocol behind it.

Re:Why Web3? by kinship7 on Saturday January 01, 2022 @11:17PM (#29765778)
You're right that the UX layer could be centralized. However, the data that the UX is built on would not be centralized. In the Uber example, it's as if the ride-hailing backend were available to anyone.

The centralized UX could censor transactions like you say, but the barrier to entry is low for another UX, built on the same decentralized data, to emerge and challenge the centralized UX. That's because the data is available to everyone.

Re:Why Web3? by wslh on Sunday January 02, 2022 @06:56AM (#29768008)
> but the barrier to entry is low for another UX

I don't agree. I think excellent UXs have a super high barrier of entry. Look at apps such as Google Docs, TikTok, etc.

A company could build an UX without even thinking about being decentralized and users will care about the UX but not about "decentralization politics". If an excellent decentralized UX is built, you just copy the interesting parts and add you proprietary ones, sell you brand and success!

Re:Why Web3? by synapse_soap on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:47PM (#29771246)
Google Docs - not just a UX, built on the Google ecosystem with its existing network of users and massive amounts of data

TikTok - not just a UX, but a massive social network, again with lots of data.

In a decentralized world, there will be a decentralized social network like TikTok. The UX would interact with that social network; it wouldn't create the social network itself. To give another example, it's as if Facebook's social network was open to anyone to build a UX on top of and interact with. Much lower barrier to entry.

Re:Why Web3? by nathias on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @02:08PM (#29728652)
Why would UI need to be centralized? Even in normal SPAs the client is making most of the work, the UI is fairly trivial to decentralize and there were a few examples on hn already.
Re:Why Web3? by wslh on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @03:14PM (#29729433)
This is very simple: imagine you have decentralized Uber/Lyft so now all the logic occurs in a decentralized way.

Now, Uber^2 publishes a great mobile app, the mobile app is obviously centralized and they can decide to use or not and how to use the decentralized mechanism because they are the winners as the UX.

Isn't this obvious?

Re:Why Web3? by nathias on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @03:28PM (#29729573)
Oh you're thinking that centralized apps would always produce better UX for some reason? I think centralized apps are making UX necessarily worse, because they implement dark patterns in order to milk their users, while in a decentralized ones you can just make your own. For example, matrix vs discord, one I can customize and interact with however I want the other is garbage and if I change anything I will get banned.
Re:Why Web3? by ReggieCommaRose on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @03:58PM (#29729943)
The topic at hand is mainstream adoption and I think empirically the world disagrees with you.
Re:Why Web3? by nathias on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @04:10PM (#29730072)
I'm sure you believe mainstream adoption is a consequence of a software having good UX and being very useful, I don't.
Re:Why Web3? by wslh on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @04:54PM (#29730572)
Mainstream adoption is independent if the app is centralized or not. You are ignoring the people who use Netflix, TikTok, Instagram, etc. People care about the brand offering not if they are decentralized or not.