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Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by egberts1 on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @01:20PM (#29716311)
Telegram, as a capability, does not do “end-to-end encryption” for one-on-one chat.

And Telegram most certainly cannot encrypt group chat.

Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by skinkestek on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @04:44AM (#29723338)
I does have, it is well known and it has existed for years.

The remaining criticism now is that the default for one-on-one chats is still the more convenient normal point-to-point-encrypted chat type instead of E2E-encrypted (which, in Telegrams implementation is less convenient since it doesn't sync between clients, which again is reasonably for those messages where one really cares about secrecy in the context of day-to-day messaging apps).

As usual: I only observe this from the outside. For what I know maybe Putin reads my messages before he goes to bed every night to fall asleep because I mostly use ordinary point-to-point encrypted messages which can be intercepted if Telegram is a secret FSB front or if Telegram isn't careful. Note however that for all we know maybe Biden reads my mail too to fall asleep since that too isn't end-to-end encrypted.

I only comment on observable facts or statements that haven't been debunked. The last means I haven't verified the crypto of any app, I take it for granted that if it is broken someone will figure out just like when WhatsApp sent plaintext messages over port 443, and even faster with Telegram since there are so many who wants to find flaws in it.

Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by egberts1 on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @01:26PM (#29727918)
I take it that you don’t do much Radare2, much less IDA-Pro.
Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by skinkestek on Thursday December 30, 2021 @03:17AM (#29734786)
Thats correct.

If you have and you have real proofs, bring them and I'll probably repent.

Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by egberts1 on Thursday December 30, 2021 @05:53AM (#29735625)
If one were to have real proof, then would they not hold them out for a paying customer?

In light of that hypothetical but far-fetched pathway, there is probably no need for you to repent there.

Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by skinkestek on Thursday December 30, 2021 @07:36AM (#29736218)
I think we are talking past each other.

With WhatsApp the claim was that if someone snuck a backdoor into it there are enough people watching it to make sure that it would be found out soon.

My point is that even more people are sceptical to Telegram and even dislike it strongly so there should be even better chances of someone discovering if something was broken.

Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by egberts1 on Saturday January 01, 2022 @10:19AM (#29759079)
The colored highlighting of the code regions in Telegram executable by IDA-Pro has left me skeptical.
Re:FBI document shows what data can be obtained from encrypt... by skinkestek on Monday January 03, 2022 @03:19AM (#29778509)
If you are still here, what do these regions and the fact that they are colored mean?

I'm honestly interested.

I only intend to defend Telegram against lies (most of the time the claim that "it is not encrypted"), not to cover up any actual problems so if you comment on it or write a post about it I will read it and probably will upvote it.