Re:Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card s...
by Nbox9 on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:08AM
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Actually, the SIM card use to be a “personality chip” in the 1990s. It stored your phone number and your contacts. There’s a scene in The Wire where a drug dealer confuses the police by changing the sim card of his phone when talking about criminal activity, which evades electronic surveillance (changing the phone’s ID on the network) and physical surveillance (sims are very small and concealable). I was specifically calling out how the use of a cell has grown in the last 30 years specifically as it related to identity.
I’ve spent a lot of time engineering login pages and thinking about questions of user identity.
Re:Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card s...
by bellyfullofbac on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @11:28AM
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But the phone hardware also has an IMEI, which it also tells the network: https://weartotrack.com/imei-number-blocked/
So it might be you're basing your knowledge from some fictional show where the writers got it wrong.
Re:Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card s...
by takeda on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:14PM
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I don't know the story, but I'm wondering if IMEI wasn't introduced because of that. If SIM offered an identity in the network, why would phone need to have an unique number?
Re:Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card s...
by djur on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:34PM
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IMEI identifies the device, SIM identifies the subscriber. IMEI is used to block stolen phones, but it's also how phones are locked into specific carriers (which used to be a much bigger part of the business model, "$0 phones" and all).
Re:Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card s...
by makapuf on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @01:11PM
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Imei can be changed on some phones, and are not secure. The sim card needs to be logged to from the phone (usin PIN for uset-level login), contains non readable secrets and provides a completely separate execution environment with its own memory and cpu.
Re:Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card s...
by takeda on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @05:19AM
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What I was saying is that it doesn't look like IMEI is essential part of the protocol and perhaps was added because of that and similar cases? Without any identifiable ID of the phone, you wouldn't need a burner phone, just a burner SIM.
Re:Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card s...
by dkonofalski on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:46PM
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SIM stands for "Subscriber Identity Module". IMEI stands for "International Mobile Equipment Identity". One identifies the account/person connecting (your plan, usage, etc.) while the other identifies the phone (and its capabilities on the network).
> The SIM is more like your iPhone’s credentials for accessing one network.
That's what I meant. Anyone with any familiarity with SIM cards knows it's no personality chip that brings everything over with it, and if it were such a thing it would probably be pretty annoying.