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Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by rsfern on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:50AM (#29703436)
Where am I pushing mandates? I think there are valid policy positions on both sides of the issue, and that you’re misrepresenting the logic of those who still are in favor of vaccine mandates.

You also haven’t offered any substantive counterpoint to my main point, which is that the widely accepted definition of vaccines is broadly consistent with the current coronavirus vaccines. The scare quotes aren’t necessary and detract from a reasonable discussion of their actual utility and tradeoffs

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by anamax on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:06AM (#29703599)
They're not scare quotes. I'm writing about word choice, so it's appropriate to use delimiters to make it clear exactly what word I'm writing about.

Most people think that "vaccine" has a specific meaning. It is dishonest to use that label for something that doesn't conform to that meaning when communicating with those people.

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by rsfern on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:19AM (#29703719)
Ok, sorry if I misinterpreted your punctuation, the last instance is what read like scare quotes to me; maybe `backtick` is a better delimiter for this case

> Most people think that `vaccine` has a specific meaning. It is dishonest to use that label for something that doesn't conform to that meaning when communicating with those people.

I disagree that it’s dishonest, it’s the correct term.

I agree that if most people have a misunderstanding of what constitutes a vaccine, then failing to address that is going to lead to suboptimal public health communication.

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by anamax on Monday December 27, 2021 @11:28AM (#29703811)
It's not the "correct" term if you know that the recipient thinks that it means something else. (All communications happens at the receiver.)

It's dishonest because they think that you're promising something that they're not going to get AND you know it.

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by rsfern on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:18PM (#29704390)
I take your point, but by correct I meant “consistent with the established definition,” which was the original context we started in

Like I said, maybe it’s not the optimal term to use in public health communications, and that could be because of dishonesty, but it could also be due to ineptitude or just failure to appreciate a widespread misunderstanding

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by anamax on Saturday January 01, 2022 @12:03AM (#29755691)
It's not the "established" definition with the target audience. Your argument is basically "I don't speak Spanish, so I'll talk louder and add a long 'o" at the end of words when talking to someone who only speaks Spanish."

It's hard to find a public health organization that doesn't say that communicating with the public is a key goal and core competency.

So, are they: [1] Incompetent [2] Using a different definition of "goal", "communicating", "core competency", etc? [3] ????

Note that communications isn't the only problem.

One of the arguments for [1] is that the public health folk have long said "hey, we're necessary to avoid a repeat of the Spanish Flu." yet they were largely unprepared. (Then again, flu kills 30-80k Americans every year and most of the good transmission research was done in the late 40s...)