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Re:Systemd 250 Released by p_l on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:47AM (#29702469)
Fedora and Arch are literally the early adopters of systemd, long before GNOME 3.8. GNOME 3.8 made hard dependencies on logind because it was default in Fedora - Arch similarly was working full tilt on implementing all proposed things from systemd long before GNOME 3.8 release (I know, I had lost my only on-hand system due to one of those changes applying badly and making it unbootable)

As for supporting configuration format - it's an obvious move, though more as "import" rather than only source of truth (different internal data models), and the format... is not exactly good (mostly due to lack of sane defaults that start to hit you once you wander beyond functionality that can be summarised as "SysV initd plus dependencies")

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Re:Systemd 250 Released by esarbe on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @07:14AM (#29713008)
> GNOME 3.8 made hard dependencies on logind because it was default in Fedora

Looks like we're still in disagreement about this. As far as I can tell, there was never a 'hard' dependency of GNOME 3.8 on logind; logind was an optional dependency[0].

> beyond functionality that can be summarised as "SysV initd plus dependencies"

I would attribute that to the lack of similar "service manager" functionality in other "boot managers". That comes down to the hesitancy of these "boot managers" to embrace the role of "service managers". There's tons of functionality that the systemd project (not necessarily the pid0 binary) introduced to make services run consistently and reliably. They paved the way in that regard and we're still waiting for contenders to catch up.

[0] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2013-Marc...

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