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Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by SideburnsOfDoom on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:30AM (#29702339)
> Vaccine do not prevent spreading,

Vaccines do not entirely prevent spreading. But nothing does.

Vaccines are not entirely useless to prevent spreading. It's one of the few measures that has an effect. Less so with Omicron, to be sure.

Would you say "When wearing a bulletproof vest, you can still be shot in the arm or head, so bulletproof vests do not prevent injury" (and might as well not wear one when in a dangerous situation)

Medicine is not Boolean logic, none of this is binary, all or nothing. We need risk reduction, not sweeping reductive statements.

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by lambdaba on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:55AM (#29702528)
Admittedly these are preprint studies, but it seems the analogy with bulletproof vests doesn't hold:

Vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals have similar viral loads in communities with a high prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 delta variant: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v...

No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated, Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Groups Infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264262v...

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by SideburnsOfDoom on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:11AM (#29702617)
Viral load is not the only factor; there is also a) how long that infectious viral load is present for, and b) chance of getting infected with that viral load in the first place.

No analogy is perfect, but I think that this one is instructive, as it breaks the binary logic.

The statement "vaccines don't prevent..." conflates two very different statements, i.e. "vaccines don't prevent all occurrence of $outcome" (which is often true but not the point) and "vaccines don't have any impact on $outcome, prevent any occurrences of $outcome" (which is false, but is often implied).

It's clear that COVID-19-Omicron is infectious to a crazy degree, but that's a different statement to "this defensive measure does nothing".

Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by andrewflnr on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:45AM (#29702850)
Only after they get a breakthrough infection, which is still presumably less likely when vaccinated. That still works very nicely with the bulletproof vest analogy.
Re:A super-spreading event of Omicron amongst triple-vaccina... by Jansen312 on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:40AM (#29702409)
Mask? Many places mandate that as though as it prevent spreading. So vaccines weren' exclusivity of that.