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Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by bradlys on Sunday December 26, 2021 @03:10PM (#29695850)
You’ll need to get up to speed with modern interviewing practices. Unless you know someone - people don’t care what you’ve done. They care about how you perform in the interview.

True with most of the top paying companies. I’d suggest doing a 100 problems on LC (try the subject study guides first) before interviewing again.

Doesn’t sound fun but that’s how it is now. The bar is high for all candidates - at least for top paying companies. Haven’t seen one yet that lets you skip the bs unless you know someone high up.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by gopher_space on Sunday December 26, 2021 @04:10PM (#29696401)
> people don’t care what you’ve done. They care about how you perform in the interview.

I think OP is expecting a level of competence from interviewers that simply doesn’t exist anymore. He’s from a time when the initial conversation would be engineers only and absolutely focused on past projects.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by kamaal on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:24PM (#29699182)
Well, yeah, tough luck. There are people out there who keep complaining about talent shortage, and not finding people to do anything at all. But you go through their hiring process and it's all about 10 rounds of questions on OJ sites like LC. Plus they have a bar raiser round which is just basically more of the same.

This actually makes the problem much worse because the only people who are acing these tests are people who are investing their time in acing these tests and not people who are actually good at their jobs. If you found a job there is little incentive to do any thing at work, and you are just better off continuing to practice interviewing further, so that you can quit to grab another 50% raise in 6 months.

Ironically these kind of people are considered to be in high demand. Most of them haven't done one single turn key project their whole lives, and wouldn't know or even stay to do one if needed. The real ones who have proven track records of delivering projects aren't even considered hiring because they don't know a dozen ways of inverting a tree.

The world is an unfair place, most companies with these hiring processes, have moats which are pretty much an infinite gravy train, so its ok to do all this. This is the game, We just have to deal with this as we go.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by skyzyx on Sunday January 02, 2022 @04:12AM (#29767128)
I was at AWS for 4 years and spent A LOT of time interviewing. We couldn’t find and interview qualified candidates fast enough. Lots of engineers doing the interviewing; few charlatans.

At AWS, however, it’s important to look at the well-roundedness of the candidate. It doesn’t matter how much code you’ve delivered if you’re an asshole in meetings.

Being a self-starter, earning the trust of your peers, and being highly-focused on customer experience are all soft skills, but are critical to ensuring success in the role. Hiring the wrong person is costly, and even then, many people at AWS wash-out in the first 2 years.

Soft skills and collaborative working habits are MORE important than writing code. Code can be taught. Being collaborative and thinking-like-an-owner is much harder to teach.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by ac2022 on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:39PM (#29710063)
Issues like these make me want to move into management and code on my own as a hobby. I am lucky to have a hobby that pays so well but I often see future of programmers bleak.

Just recently two of my friends switched their jobs. They may have spend maximum of 30 mins to prepare for their interviews in total. One is a manager and other is recruiter. Their interviews were quick and didn't take more than 3-4 hours each. Not only that they claim they enjoyed the interview process.

Our interviews are so grueling, we need to spend hours preparing for our interviews. We are treated like liars and need to proof that we are not lying. I don't know why we take this abuse and how we can fight it. It has been really frustrating for me lately.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by therealdavesky on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @12:50PM (#29727414)
Damn Straight. It amazes me how little interviewers seem to care about how_much_code_you_have_delivered... honestly, what else is there?
Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by markwkw on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @11:26PM (#29733591)
How would an interviewer verify how much code you have delivered? And what quality that code was?

I'm not trying to sound like a smartass. This is a real problem. I've been bitten before by candidates with big stories to tell about their past deliverables, but were a fountain of bugs once they were hired. Sometimes it's easy to tell, sometimes candidates background is a bit different than yours so you can't easily judge if them writing three customized discombobulators for flux capacitance use cases is something challenging or not. What is more, barely anyone writes alone. We almost all work in teams, and it's easy to claim N% of contribution to the code the team has written. In many cases you will be able to somewhat confidently speak about other people's code since you've been reading and reviewing it.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by mavelikara on Sunday December 26, 2021 @04:47PM (#29696703)
> I think OP is expecting a level of competence from interviewers that simply doesn’t exist anymore.

No. OP has not realized that the job market has plenty of charlatans who can talk well, but can't do the job.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by gopher_space on Sunday December 26, 2021 @06:37PM (#29697435)
That’s why you need competent interviews. Charlatans don’t make it past engineers.
Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by bradknowles on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:42AM (#29699727)
With respect, most of the charlatans I’ve seen over the years have been the people conducting the interviews.

Fortunately, that hasn’t always been the case, otherwise I wouldn’t be in the job I am today. But that does seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by mavelikara on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:24PM (#29697730)
> Charlatans don’t make it past engineers.

There is plenty of evidence that this just isn't true.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by gopher_space on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:36PM (#29697791)
Just ask someone to apply claimed knowledge to a novel situation. You can’t bullshit your way through that with someone who does work sitting in the room.
Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by kjksf on Sunday December 26, 2021 @03:59PM (#29696298)
I second that.

LC is https://leetcode.com/

There are other similar websites for practicing interview questions. The important thing is to use at least one of them.

Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by therealdavesky on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @12:53PM (#29727458)
I spent 6 weeks doing Leetcode problems, mostly medium-level ones. However when the take-home project was assigned, my submittal crashed on their end, even though it ran on my end on two different simulators and my phone! That pretty much canned my application there and then, even though the engineer agreed with me that the crash was VERY weird... it involved iOS crashing while adding a valid string to a Set, which was non-null! Given the opportunity, I could have quickly changed the Set usage to an Array, but that wasn't put on the table. In other words, a real-world fix didn't make sense to them!
Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by champagnois on Sunday December 26, 2021 @03:55PM (#29696257)
LC?
Re:Ask HN: Been writing code for 40 years and can't get hired by artificial on Sunday December 26, 2021 @04:00PM (#29696304)
LeetCode