Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings
by kibwen on Saturday December 25, 2021 @07:42PM
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This resource suggests that the frost line in Calgary is about nine feet underground: http://www.urecon.com/applications/municipal_ambient_below.h... . That's the depth at which the ground temperature is above freezing for the whole year. That means that a heat pump can exchange heat via pipes buried nine feet under your property. Technologically, it's extremely feasible. Whether or not it makes sense for you will depend on economic factors, of course.
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Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings
by nostrademons on Sunday December 26, 2021 @02:42AM
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Also, people often don't realize that the temperatures that matter thermodynamically are degrees Kelvin, not Celsius. 30 below 0 is 243K; 20 above (room temperature) is 293K. The coefficient of performance for a Carnot heat pump at those temperatures is 293 / (293 - 243) ~= 5.86; that means that one joule of work will transfer 5.86 joules of heat. This isn't great, but it's less of a difference than people would expect given our subjective experience of how cold -30C is. The coefficient of performance for a heat pump trying to heat 0C ambient temperatures up to room temperature (or alternatively, an air conditioner cooling 40C temperatures to room temperature) is 293 / (293 / 273) = 14.65, so your heat pump in Calgary will be maybe 2.5x less efficient than one in NYC. Drill below the frost line, like you suggest, and you'll get similar efficiencies regardless of where you are.
Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings
by kyruzic on Saturday December 25, 2021 @10:09PM
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No it is not feasible. You are not digging up ground under then tens of thousands of houses that already exist in the city in any economically feasibly way.
Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings
by wmd_ on Saturday December 25, 2021 @11:24PM
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Community "large loop" heat pumps should help with the economics, but there are still lots of details to fill in.
Re:New York City bans natural gas in new buildings
by kyruzic on Saturday December 25, 2021 @11:37PM
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I can come up with napkin tier ideas too. But lets leave the city planning to the professionals