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Re:Could housing be cheaper and better if we stop building s... by kurthr on Friday December 24, 2021 @11:18PM (#29680347)
I'm looking at Billionaires Row in Manhattan, and I don't think they have two staircases. At 1400ft tall and 60ft wide, I don't think they have room. Regulations are for little people.

And since they're really financial instruments, the buildings are still only half full!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wehsz38P74g

Re:Could housing be cheaper and better if we stop building s... by tzs on Friday December 24, 2021 @11:59PM (#29680565)
They use scissor stairs. That's two stairways in one stairwell, with the stairways winding around each other. They count as two exit stairways if (1) the stairways are enclosed in and separated from each other by masonry or masonry equivalent construction having at least a 2 hour fire resistance rating, and (2) the exit doors are 15 ft or more apart.

While they might work as far as providing residents two routes out in an emergency, they do present challenges to firefighters [1]:

> Jack J. Murphy, a former firefighter, fire marshal, and current chairman of the New York City High-Rise Fire Safety Directors Association, has inspected some of these buildings and says they present unique challenges for firefighters. For one, the buildings’ small footprints mean very narrow scissor stairwells that can have five or more turns between floors. “What would that do to my hose stretch?” Murphy said. The compact size also means tight quarters for operation and medical staging in an emergency.

[1] https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Publications-and-medi...

Re:Could housing be cheaper and better if we stop building s... by kurthr on Saturday December 25, 2021 @02:48PM (#29686343)
Interesting, can't imagine going down over 1000ft of stairs without sliding on my ass, much less going up with a fire hose in heavy gear.
Re:Could housing be cheaper and better if we stop building s... by ggcdn on Friday December 24, 2021 @11:37PM (#29680447)
A scissor stair can fit 2 stairways very compactly, looks like this is used on 432 park ave, for instance.

https://images.app.goo.gl/kz1826Y8xydc9G9L8

Re:Could housing be cheaper and better if we stop building s... by bdowling on Friday December 24, 2021 @11:40PM (#29680469)
I'm going to guess that codes don't require two stairwells if there is only one apartment per floor.