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Re:Germany is closing half of its reactors before the end of... by roenxi on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @08:54PM (#29657806)
7. Energy per capita has dropped by something like 20% from its peak in the 90s.

Germany is a great example that these renewable policies can't sustain an industrial lifestyle. Germany is something of a cautionary tale; adopting Germany's policies will make people worse off.

https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/germany

Re:Germany is closing half of its reactors before the end of... by lmm on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @09:56PM (#29658151)
Arguing that energy sustainability changes have made people worse off because they've reduced per-capita energy use is blatantly begging the question. Maybe energy is being used 3x as efficiently as it was in the 90s and so people are 2.4x better off.
Re:Germany is closing half of its reactors before the end of... by roenxi on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @10:05PM (#29658209)
They'd still have a better lifestyle if they used the same amount of energy and used it more efficiently. The lifestyle Germans enjoy is falling behind a hypothetical world where they implemented a cheap energy policy.

How much energy they produce is much more important when assessing how their renewable transition is going. They have barely managed to tread water by doing less per capita and matching their old supply. This is a far cry from the optimistic touting that solar/wind was a viable market competitor to fossil fuels - the evidence here is that these forms of energy are worse.

Re:Germany is closing half of its reactors before the end of... by lmm on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @11:33PM (#29658683)
> They'd still have a better lifestyle if they used the same amount of energy and used it more efficiently.

Only if you're assuming some kind of linear relationship between energy consumption and happiness, which seems extremely dubious.

Re:Germany is closing half of its reactors before the end of... by dispat0r on Thursday December 23, 2021 @04:05AM (#29660049)
Maybe not happiness but definitely living standards. In the US air conditioning systems are common in Germany not so much.
Re:Germany is closing half of its reactors before the end of... by lmm on Thursday December 23, 2021 @04:32AM (#29660188)
Right but you can't jump from that to assuming that US homes are nicer to live in - the difference is at least partly because more solid construction, traditional styles, and environmentalist design mean that German homes passively hold a comfortable temperature better than US ones. Air conditioning is a very brute-force solution to the problem and it comes with a significant downsides (noise, dry air that you then have to add more appliances to address, ugly, have to keep your windows closed...).
Re:Germany is closing half of its reactors before the end of... by gr__or on Thursday December 23, 2021 @08:18AM (#29661533)
Lots of housing in Germany is well-insulated enough that AC is not needed. This argument seems dubious.