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Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @03:29PM (#29654717)
> I’ll move back to one of them just to vote the governor and health director out.

Am I correctly understanding that you intend to move to a different region for the sole purpose of voting against restrictions that otherwise would not apply to you? You’re literally trying to be a problematic immigrant.

I remember when I was in college a bunch of people did exactly this. They registered for residency in the state solely so they could vote a single issue in a state election. Specifically they registered so they could vote for Mississippi to keep the confederate flag as part of the state flag. So you’re in great company.

Honestly, isn’t the whole “state’s rights” thing about telling other people to fuck off and let them manage themselves? And here you are thinking you should meddle in someone else’s self-governance.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by arghnoname on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @03:42PM (#29654881)
Jurisdictions set their own rules for time of residency before being allowed to vote (e.g., registration X days before an election, Y days of the past Z days in the district, etc). Some people do decide where to live based on political considerations. If they are voting in accordance to the rules set by the relevant jurisdictions, I don't see a problem. This happens on "both sides."

I will note that it's easier to break the rules and commit voter fraud when you can vote by mail. In person voting at least requires that you be physically present on Election Day. I moved to California and got voting materials from whence I came. I did not elect to commit voter fraud and vote, but I could have pretty easily.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @06:35PM (#29656846)
> I will note that it's easier to break the rules and commit voter fraud when you can vote by mail. In person voting at least requires that you be physically present on Election Day.

Haven’t most (all?) jurisdictions supported vote by Mail for absentee ballots since a long time ago? All that vote by mail has actually changed is that people can vote from their homes.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by arghnoname on Thursday December 23, 2021 @03:51AM (#29659966)
I’ve usually voted by mail a few cycles before COVID. Previously it would depend on jurisdiction. In the jurisdictions I’ve lived in, the voter would have to request a ballot well ahead of the election and sometimes claim some allowable hardship, such as an illness that confines them to their home.

This is the first year I’ve gotten election material I didn’t request. I had forgotten to deregister, but the crazy thing is the post office told them I had moved because they forwarded a previous letter. They then sent me more material at the new forwarded address in another state.

I don’t think this is nefarious, mostly incompetence. I think fraud happens, always has. Voting by mail probably increases opportunistic fraud. It probably also increases voter participation, so maybe it’s worth it in that sense, not sure. However, I think we need to have rock-solid verifiable and trustworthy elections, even if it’s inconvenient and the fraud it is meant to prevent is theoretical (hacked voting machines, other schemes). It’s very unhealthy for a democracy when large fractions of the population distrust the results. We’ve had both major political parties suggest electoral fraud/shenanigans multiple times over the past 20 years. It’s bad stuff.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Thursday December 23, 2021 @08:55AM (#29661814)
> It’s very unhealthy for a democracy when large fractions of the population distrust the results.

I fully agree with that. I also think it’s unhealthy for democracy when large swaths of the population feels disenfranchised, though, and there is a lot of that sort of shenanigans going on. I think the push against vote by mail is a mostly a 1)scheme to disenfranchise more voters, and 2) stir up unfounded BS about fraud.

It’s well established that high turnout favors democrats. And it’s well established that vote by mail increases turnout.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by vmception on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @03:36PM (#29654797)
It would be where I’m already registered to vote, dont worry

Tie any restriction to ICU capacity and only if efforts were made to expand ICU capacity

Otherwise that means the state was only pretending to care because it was easier to govern if people werent doing anything

If the state actually cares increase the ICU bandwidth or tell us the challenges encountered doing that and how those are being addressed

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by chasd00 on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:55PM (#29655922)
one thing that isn't communicated very much is ICU capacity goes up and down with need. "ICU at 98%" means it's 98% at that point in time, ICU capacity can be added as needed up to a point. In the other direction a hospital can be at 50% ICU capacity, decide they can dial back ICU beds and then percent util jumps even though they may have fewer ICU patients. Hospitals likely have a target ICU utilization and add/remove beds to hit that target as much as possible.
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @03:38PM (#29654823)
You specifically mentioned “any major US markets”. Are you admitting to voter fraud now?
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by vmception on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:06PM (#29655199)
> I’ll move back to one of them

You’re reading what you want to read, it was worded specifically and intentionally

Its not any one of them, its the one that I am registered to vote in.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:22PM (#29655417)
You literally said any.

But I’m still stuck on why. What is the point in getting yourself involved in something that doesn’t affect you personally? Why is it worth getting yourself involved with someone else’s self governance?

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by vmception on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:32PM (#29655604)
Its almost as if I live in and am registered to vote one of the few major counties and states that are prone to reintroduce restrictions, and am not currently physically there right now.

The goal being that there would eventually be one less county and state that would consider restrictions.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:47PM (#29655809)
From what you’ve said, you don’t live there any more.

But this doesn’t seem constructive so we can let this go.

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by umanwizard on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @07:57PM (#29657482)
It confused me as well, but I think the “one of them” isn’t bound to the same specific one as “any of them”.

E.g. “I’m from New York. If any of New York, Chicago, LA, Atlanta [etc.] shut down, I’ll move back to New York and [etc.]”

Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @10:33PM (#29658365)
I guess? That’s just such a bizarre statement. But based on the rest of the thread that could indeed be the intent.
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by zerocount on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:33PM (#29655615)
I'm pretty sure it was hyperbole.
Re:South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as f... by dpark on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:48PM (#29655820)
Pretty sure it’s not if you read the rest of the comment thread.