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Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by intuitionist on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:43AM (#29614755)
I think many people on HN may be too young to remember the early 2000s, when you’d kill someone for your stock price to be down only 60% over 3 years, but it absolutely happens to good companies too.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by rco8786 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:24PM (#29615925)
We can talk about normal expectations without having to explicitly state that black swan events can happen. If you took a stance of “I’m not going to take any pay in equity because I saw what happened in 2001” you would have left millions of dollars on the table over the last 20 years.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by intuitionist on Sunday December 19, 2021 @05:08PM (#29618941)
Stocks underperforming cash for three years is hardly a black swan event; it happens in about a fifth of 3-year periods.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by rco8786 on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:36PM (#29630629)
I’m clearly talking about the early 00 market crash as the black swan. Some depreciation is expected to happen sometimes. Obviously.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by TheCoelacanth on Sunday December 19, 2021 @09:17PM (#29620872)
Underperforming cash is very different than underperforming cash by 60%.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by JohnHaugeland on Sunday December 19, 2021 @01:47PM (#29616952)
I think that once you start looking for hard evidence on software company stocks, you're in for a learning experience.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by rco8786 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @02:12PM (#29617233)
? I’ve been in this industry for…a while. I watched people around me packing up their cubicles in 2001. What is it that you think I am missing? Genuine question because I’m not sure how to interpret your comment at all. Tech stocks have had strong growth as a sector for about 2 decades. Even if they hadn’t, even if they had been flat for 20 years, companies are still paying out $100k+ a year in equity (in addition to base salary).
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by srb4 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:17AM (#29615072)
I thought I was going to be rich with my first job at a startup out of college but the dot com bust basically made it all worthless. Stock is great but cash would have been better.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by pb7 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @05:20PM (#29619044)
What would you have done with the cash? Hold it? That’s how the poor stay poor.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by overrun11 on Monday December 20, 2021 @03:13PM (#29629653)
You aren't guaranteed your salary either though and in many of those cases in the 2000's workers were laid off. Being paid entirely in cash salary doesn't make you immune to market turbulence.
Re:Ask HN: Strategies to land fully remote $250k+ job by alisonkisk on Sunday December 19, 2021 @11:17AM (#29615077)
It happened 1 year in 20, after an incredible run up, and good companies recovered.