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Re:Gov DeWine deploys National Guard to hospitals as COVID d... by lotsofpulp on Sunday December 19, 2021 @09:06AM (#29614026)
This has everything to do with wages. Nurse to patient ratios have been getting smaller and smaller for many years now. It is a common topic in medical forums.

It is combined with a worst case scenario, but it is compounded by the fact that a parent or young person is going to look at Mar 2020 and decide to not go into nursing because all they got was a sign saying they were heroes in exchange for working with an infectious disease, while many others got to sit at home on their computers.

The situation for nursing homes is even worse than hospitals and nurses. It actually terrified me, even pre pandemic, to think about the level of care I would get if I had to be in an assisted living facility being taken care of by someone earning $12 per hour also taking care of 19 other people. I would rather opt for suicide.

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Re:Gov DeWine deploys National Guard to hospitals as COVID d... by nojito on Sunday December 19, 2021 @09:18AM (#29614113)
Wages don't matter. We offer 2-3x market rate and still have x000 vacancies.

People simply do not exist right now. It's very tough.

>Nurse to patient ratios have been getting smaller and smaller for many years now. It is a common topic in medical forums.

Again...this doesn't matter right now because the supply of nurses is just nonexistent.

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Re:Gov DeWine deploys National Guard to hospitals as COVID d... by kthejoker2 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:21AM (#29614585)
Basic economics:

"Market rate" is what clears the market - no extra supply or demand.

If you have vacancies at your asking price, you are below the market rate.

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Re:Gov DeWine deploys National Guard to hospitals as COVID d... by freewilly1040 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @02:38PM (#29617490)
In the long run, sure, but it takes years to train a nurse. It’s not hard to imagine that there are simply too few with the training able to do it.
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Re:Gov DeWine deploys National Guard to hospitals as COVID d... by nojito on Sunday December 19, 2021 @04:18PM (#29618522)
I don't think you understand what "does not exist" means.
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Re:Gov DeWine deploys National Guard to hospitals as COVID d... by lotsofpulp on Sunday December 19, 2021 @09:26AM (#29614178)
It matters in the grand scheme. The pandemic started 21 months ago, and there is still insignificant movement in wages.

Also, if you offered 20-30x, the people would exist (for your facility). And if you offer 2-3x market rate and cannot attract people, then not only is x not the market rate, but 2-3x is not either.

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Re:Gov DeWine deploys National Guard to hospitals as COVID d... by nojito on Sunday December 19, 2021 @04:17PM (#29618507)
It has nothing to do with attracting people...they just don't exist.

Our best shot is targeting nursing school/other technical school grads, but that still doesn't help fill senior roles.

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