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Re:California’s AV testing rules apply to Tesla’s “FSD” by kadoban on Saturday December 18, 2021 @09:23AM (#29604662)
> "[...] NHTSA had opened an investigation into Tesla autopilot after finding a collection of just 13 accidents over six years"

If it takes them 6 years, they're not getting enough actionable data quickly enough.

> How does the CDC get covid infection statistics? How does the NTSB do aviation safety studies? How does OSHA report on occupation risks? Of course the government can do this.

By requiring that key industries and people report the data, then sometimes with inspectors. It's not magic, and it's not going to go well if you're expecting the data to just appear for them.

Re:California’s AV testing rules apply to Tesla’s “FSD” by ajross on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:05AM (#29614470)
> If it takes them 6 years, they're not getting enough actionable data quickly enough.

The phrase "over 6 years" means that the sample set was six years long (since AP was first deployed), not that the data is six years old! This doesn't seem like a serious argument.

My point, to repeat, was that regulators absolutely look at this data, to the extent that a cluster just 13 accidents was enough to trigger an investigation. The data is absolutely available! And to the extent that it's not, let's talk about specific reforms you'd like to see to improve the quality.

But none of that is an argument about whether or not Tesla FSD beta is currently operating safely. Again, it's quite clear that it is.

Re:California’s AV testing rules apply to Tesla’s “FSD” by kadoban on Sunday December 19, 2021 @10:36AM (#29614707)
> But none of that is an argument about whether or not Tesla FSD beta is currently operating safely. Again, it's quite clear that it is.

eyeroll I'm glad you've conceded the argument on my behalf. Any other decisions you'd like to make for me?

> And to the extent that it's not, let's talk about specific reforms you'd like to see to improve the quality.

I'd start with Tesla complying with the law and providing data about how many accidents, how many disengagements, how many miles, etc. and not having to depend on what gets noticed over 6 years.