They were run over by tanks, and the PRC has made it illegal to even mention the event. Most nation states allow citizens to talk about their own history good and bad.

Run over by tanks doesn't quite cover the brutality of that night. The tanks repeatedly drove over and then reversed over the same bodies until they were pulp on the streets. What happened that night was ni unspeakable, yet we must speak of it or we risk it being forgotten in history.

Turned into a pulp and washed away with hoes down the sewers

Could you give me a source for "Run over and the reversed". I'd be interested in reading about it.

The work "likely" is doing a LOT of work there. Contemporaneous examples in the GDU, Czechoslovakia, and other form Soviet satellites transitioned to democracies in a more or less bloodless fashion.

You seek freedom? You want democracy?! You murderers! Don't you know we'll fight back for our authoritarian dictatorship and millions will die? How dare you challenge the status quo?

Instead, it failed and now you get millions dying through oppression and genocide.

Freedom has a price that must be paid in blood. Do you think China will magically become free someday? No, it will take the blood of millions to overthrown that regime.

I contend that those seeking to overthrow tyrannies are to be celebrated.

Sounds good until you try to figure out how to classify tyrannies.

One hint is that they don't let you call them "tyranny"

States that compel their citizens to harass others for having the temerity to mention acts of tyranny by said states, even abroad, perhaps...?

The ones that block freedom of the press, block and censore the internet, deploy military force against civilians, anex peaceful territories by force, push other democracies to overwrite their history, and commit genocide... So the Chinese government.

And those are all things the US, the UK and most western government's have done & will do again.

Nobody is going to show up at your home for saying so. Many US citizens will agree with you.

A country which improves its behavior through self-criticism from its citizens is not a tyranny. It is just a government that makes serious mistakes.

No form of government has managed to avoid that yet.

Democracy and freedom don't guarantee the majority will behave well all the time. But they systematically leave the door open for improvement - even if it takes a lot of effort.

Do starving its own people and persecuting anyone who talks, thinks out loud, researches, or investigates it, work for you? The Great Leap Forward and the "Three-year Natural Disaster!" There was nothing natural about it and we still don't know how many perished.

They aren't doing it right now.

China, on the other hand, just bashed Hong Kong liberties, and to my horror, media already forgot about that.

And when you get to name a country that doesn't respect human rights, that still doesn't justify you to do the same

> the US, the UK and most western government's

Ahh, the classic whataboutism prevalent in threads about China. No excuse, especially because almost all the bad stuff that those governments did are decades in the past, whereas China is doing those things now, accelerating them, and being defended by its citizens (and people like you).

Moreover, you can't just lump together governments like that? The UK is a completely different world than the US - for instance, their freedom-of-speech laws aren't comparable to ours.

And, if we're talking just about the US (which is the topic of discussion, not the UK) - the US does not "block freedom of the press, block and censor the internet, [...] push other democracies to overwrite their history, and commit genocide..." and the other things that we have (shamefully) committed are an order of magnitude not as bad as what China is doing now. The last time the US did something remotely similar to the million+ Uyghurs in concentration camps was the Trail of Tears in 1850 (which, as terrible as it was, involved less than a 10th of the number of victims as Xinjiang now).

You're sure making a lot of fallacies and bad arguments to try to excuse the behavior of a murderous, tyrannical government...